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Ed007Toronto
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The only tenants lining up are government agencies being forced to move in. However, 7 WTC seems to be finding tenants so it may not be that bad.
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Freedom Tower will grow on people, architect says
By Daniel Trotta 1 hour, 59 minutes ago
NEW YORK (Reuters) - The architect of the skyscraper that will replace New York's Twin Towers has advice for those who might not like the design: give it some time.
"It will be something that will grow on people," David Childs said on Wednesday of the 1,776-foot (541-meter) Freedom Tower under construction at the site destroyed by the September 11 attacks. "This building will not become dated over time."
Childs, speaking to reporters invited to tour the building site, said he recognized the great expectations for the project, which has yet to rise above ground level and is due to be finished by 2011.
He also described feelings of nervousness and adrenaline in taking a job that would come under world scrutiny.
"The gift I got was in a way very therapeutic for somebody who actually saw the second plane hit the building," said Childs, a partner in the firm Skidmore, Owings & Merrill LLP who works near the site.
After master planner Daniel Libeskind unveiled his vision for the Freedom Tower as a twisting trapezoid meant to evoke the Statue of Liberty, Childs took over the design and simplified it according to limits imposed by budget and security concerns.
Some critics lamented the loss of grandiosity from the Libeskind design. Childs said the new design was better in part because of its simplicity.
"We want people to look at it and say, 'What a simple, perfect answer,"' Childs said.
Like each of the old Twin Towers, the Freedom Tower's base is a 200-foot by 200-foot (61-meter by 61-meter) square. But instead of a lattice of steel, the exterior will be all glass, including prisms placed over the concrete blast walls that will rise some 200 feet from ground level.
Rather than maintain the Twin Towers' box, the exterior walls will be formed by eight very tall triangles that from some angles will reproduce the exact profile of one of the Twin Towers but from other angles will reveal a tapered top.
The main structure and a parapet will rise to the Twin Towers' heights of 1,362 and 1,368 feet, from which a sculpted antenna will top out at 1,776 feet (541 meters).
"I think it will be the picture postcard that one will get at the airports, as were the original towers," he said.
Link to article
Freedom Tower will grow on people, architect says
By Daniel Trotta 1 hour, 59 minutes ago
NEW YORK (Reuters) - The architect of the skyscraper that will replace New York's Twin Towers has advice for those who might not like the design: give it some time.
"It will be something that will grow on people," David Childs said on Wednesday of the 1,776-foot (541-meter) Freedom Tower under construction at the site destroyed by the September 11 attacks. "This building will not become dated over time."
Childs, speaking to reporters invited to tour the building site, said he recognized the great expectations for the project, which has yet to rise above ground level and is due to be finished by 2011.
He also described feelings of nervousness and adrenaline in taking a job that would come under world scrutiny.
"The gift I got was in a way very therapeutic for somebody who actually saw the second plane hit the building," said Childs, a partner in the firm Skidmore, Owings & Merrill LLP who works near the site.
After master planner Daniel Libeskind unveiled his vision for the Freedom Tower as a twisting trapezoid meant to evoke the Statue of Liberty, Childs took over the design and simplified it according to limits imposed by budget and security concerns.
Some critics lamented the loss of grandiosity from the Libeskind design. Childs said the new design was better in part because of its simplicity.
"We want people to look at it and say, 'What a simple, perfect answer,"' Childs said.
Like each of the old Twin Towers, the Freedom Tower's base is a 200-foot by 200-foot (61-meter by 61-meter) square. But instead of a lattice of steel, the exterior will be all glass, including prisms placed over the concrete blast walls that will rise some 200 feet from ground level.
Rather than maintain the Twin Towers' box, the exterior walls will be formed by eight very tall triangles that from some angles will reproduce the exact profile of one of the Twin Towers but from other angles will reveal a tapered top.
The main structure and a parapet will rise to the Twin Towers' heights of 1,362 and 1,368 feet, from which a sculpted antenna will top out at 1,776 feet (541 meters).
"I think it will be the picture postcard that one will get at the airports, as were the original towers," he said.
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AlvinofDiaspar
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Ugh, David Childs blaring his own horns. What a disgusting sight.
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goodboys
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Re: New Freedomo Tower design unveiled
Newer pics with towers 2, 3 and 4 posted here:
www.nytimes.com/2006/09/0...rscnd.html
www.wirednewyork.com/foru...0&page=216
Newer pics with towers 2, 3 and 4 posted here:
www.nytimes.com/2006/09/0...rscnd.html
www.wirednewyork.com/foru...0&page=216
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Re: New Freedomo Tower design unveiled
Foster and Rogers do it again. Love the foster though. That would look great in T.O.
Foster and Rogers do it again. Love the foster though. That would look great in T.O.
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Ed007Toronto
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Re: New Freedomo Tower design unveiled
Pity about the Maki.
Pity about the Maki.
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ganjavih
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Re: New Freedomo Tower design unveiled
I like it... dignified without being overly gaudy. It would work nicely in TO.
I like it... dignified without being overly gaudy. It would work nicely in TO.
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AlvinofDiaspar
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Re: New Freedomo Tower design unveiled
Not really a fan of how the 4 towers relate to each other. Freedom Tower looks more and more like a hypodermic needle, while the Rogers building seems like a high-tech ripoff of PPG centre in Pittsburg. Only Foster's tower remotely resemble the original proposal by Libeskind.
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Not really a fan of how the 4 towers relate to each other. Freedom Tower looks more and more like a hypodermic needle, while the Rogers building seems like a high-tech ripoff of PPG centre in Pittsburg. Only Foster's tower remotely resemble the original proposal by Libeskind.
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Re: New Freedomo Tower design unveiled
not sure about this..would like to see more renderings.
I keep thinking they should re-open the public competition since this has totally moved away from what the public chose.
not sure about this..would like to see more renderings.
I keep thinking they should re-open the public competition since this has totally moved away from what the public chose.
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Brighter Hell
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Re: New Freedomo Tower design unveiled
Wow, the plan that won the competition got butchered. Now it's not much more than an anonymous collection of highrises - the buildings have no relation to each other. The slant in the roof of the one building serves no purpose now that all the other buildings have flat roofs.
Wow, the plan that won the competition got butchered. Now it's not much more than an anonymous collection of highrises - the buildings have no relation to each other. The slant in the roof of the one building serves no purpose now that all the other buildings have flat roofs.
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wyliepoon
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Re: New Freedomo Tower design unveiled
When I first saw the rendering, for a second I almost thought I was looking at Chicago's skyline. The Freedom Tower is like the John Hancock Center, and the Foster tower looks like the Smurfit-Stone Building (aka the Diamond Building). This might mean that if Chicago goes ahead with its megatall projects, Chicago might end up with a more imposing skyline than New York.
Tower 2 by Foster
Tower 3 by Richard Rogers, Team Macarie
Tower 4 by Fumihiko Maki, Zy and Partners
When I first saw the rendering, for a second I almost thought I was looking at Chicago's skyline. The Freedom Tower is like the John Hancock Center, and the Foster tower looks like the Smurfit-Stone Building (aka the Diamond Building). This might mean that if Chicago goes ahead with its megatall projects, Chicago might end up with a more imposing skyline than New York.
Tower 2 by Foster
Tower 3 by Richard Rogers, Team Macarie
Tower 4 by Fumihiko Maki, Zy and Partners
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adma
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Re: New Freedomo Tower design unveiled
Am I not mistaken, but to the right in that Maki rendering, is that that little Greek Orthodox church that was destroyed by the S Tower collapse? Didn't know they were recreating it...
Am I not mistaken, but to the right in that Maki rendering, is that that little Greek Orthodox church that was destroyed by the S Tower collapse? Didn't know they were recreating it...
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SD2
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Re: New Freedomo Tower design unveiled
I totally agree.
This just goes to show how badly a plan can be butchered in any city...it's not like it just happens here. Kind of puts all the bitching we do over green vs. blue glass in perspective.
I totally agree.
This just goes to show how badly a plan can be butchered in any city...it's not like it just happens here. Kind of puts all the bitching we do over green vs. blue glass in perspective.
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jayomatic
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Re: New Freedomo Tower design unveiled
Except they've got a Foster and Rogers to bitch about.
Except they've got a Foster and Rogers to bitch about.
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alklay
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Re: New Freedomo Tower design unveiled
From the NYTimes:
Architecture Review
At Ground Zero, Towers for Forgetting
By NICOLAI OUROUSSOFF
The designs unveiled last week for three sleek glass towers at ground zero rise above the mediocrity we have come to expect from a planning process driven by political opportunism, backdoor deal-making and commercial greed.
But for those who cling to the idea that the site’s haunting history demands a leap of imagination, the towers illustrate how low our expectations have sunk since the city first resolved to rebuild there in a surge of determination just weeks after 9/11.
Designed by Norman Foster, Richard Rogers and Fumihiko Maki, the towers are solid, competent work by three first-rate talents. But each of these architects is capable of far more. Lord Foster has shown us better work recently in Midtown Manhattan, where his faceted Hearst Tower plunges through the top of an existing 1920’s building with impressive force.
Architectural merit aside, the most telling features of the ground zero master plan remain those in which the city’s anxieties bubble up to the surface: in the paranoia implied by David Childs’s heavily armored Freedom Tower, for example, or the defiant grandiosity of Santiago Calatrava’s transportation hub. By comparison, the three new towers are about forgetting. Conservative and coolly corporate, they could be imagined in just about any Western capital, paralleling the effacement of history in the remade, blatantly commercial Potsdamer Platz in Berlin or La Défense, the incongruous office-tower district just outside Paris.
Lord Foster set out to confront the emotional trauma at ground zero in a design he submitted in a master plan competition four years ago. His proposal, for two slender glass-and-steel towers that swayed in and out as they rose, seeming to meet here and there in a gentle kiss, captured the aura of the old twin towers. That proposal, a plan for the entire site, was rejected.
This time he was limited to a single tower at the northeast corner of the site, with a mandate to pack commercial and retail space onto a more constricted area. The result is bulkier. The building, which at 1,254 feet, with an additional 85-foot antenna (not pictured in the widely distributed renderings) would be the second tallest in the city after the Freedom Tower, rises straight up from its base with no setbacks. A vertical notch cut into each of its facades creates deep, brooding shadows; the top is sliced at a sharp diagonal that tilts toward the memorial pools below. One assumes that this is intended to imbue the structure with a quasi-mystical significance, but it’s a cheap gesture.
The simplistic nod to the memorial echoes the saccharine symbolism of Daniel Libeskind’s Wedge of Light plaza, whose form is based on the position of the sun five years ago this morning, when the two airliners reached the end of their deadly trajectory. Similarly, Lord Foster, Lord Rogers and Mr. Maki emphasize their buildings’ transparency, a tired cliché for the openness of a democratic society. But transparency is not just about openness. It’s about voyeurism, exhibitionism and surveillance, the last of which is probably more relevant than “freedom†at ground zero.
The towers by Lord Rogers and Mr. Maki are more convincing as architecture. Set on a transparent base just south of Lord Foster’s tower, Lord Rogers’s building is supported by a series of massive steel cross braces that give it structural muscle. Its glass facades extend up beyond the top of the building, a familiar architectural trick that will create the illusion that the tower is dissolving into the sky. It adds a much-needed touch of lightness to the densest part of the skyline.
Mr. Maki’s tower, the most elegant of the three, is also the most deceptively simple. As it rises, its prismatic form morphs from a square to a trapezoid, giving it an air of geometric purity that is somewhat closer in spirit to the old World Trade Center towers.
Over all, the massive scale of the three towers, which are slightly staggered in height, will extend the dense canyons of Wall Street right up to the edge of the memorial site, not a bad idea. The disparate styles of the Rogers and Maki towers in particular, which are separated by a mere 47 feet, could create an interesting visual tension in the skyline.
The big problem is down below on the street. In a small but important recent victory, the city has decided to rebuild Cortlandt Street as an open-air pedestrian walkway, countering the Port Authority’s proposal to cover it with a glass canopy. Framed by Lord Rogers’s tower to the north and Mr. Maki’s to the south, the pedestrian corridor will form one of the most dramatic visual approaches to the memorial site.
But that victory has been compromised by the Port Authority’s determination to pack as much retail space as possible into the buildings. Current plans call for several stories at the base of each tower to be occupied by stores, raising the specter of vertical urban malls on the order of the Time Warner Center at Columbus Circle. Like Skidmore, Owings & Merrill, Time Warner’s architects, Lord Foster, Lord Rogers and Mr. Maki have sheathed their retail sections in glass, the difference being that shoppers will peer down into the memorial pits instead of down 59th Street.
The sense that the three towers are typical development fare, if a notch above standard, is reinforced by Mr. Calatrava’s transportation hub, whose glittering elliptical form, capped by its two winglike canopies, will sit between Lord Rogers’s tower, to the south, and Lord Foster’s, to the north. Insisting on the inviolate purity of his great central hall, Mr. Calatrava arranged to have his building’s mechanical systems located within the bases of the nearby towers, adding to their bulk.
Through astute political maneuvering, he also persuaded government officials to locate the entrances to the No. 1 subway line in the Foster tower and the R and W trains in the Rogers building. Mr. Calatrava’s hub — larger than the great hall at Grand Central — will serve only the PATH trains to New Jersey, whose tracks lie across Greenwich Street, underneath the memorial site. The risk is that his transit hub will resemble the enormous lobby he famously designed for the Milwaukee Museum of Art, exuding a look-at-me braggadocio at the expense of serviceable function.
It is far from clear that these three towers will be built in their current form. It is almost inevitable that the Police Department will raise security concerns, challenging the abundance of glass at street level, for example.
But at least we are beginning to see a real architectural composition emerge, one that for all its flaws, represents a serious effort to raise the level of conversation at ground zero. The question is whether our fortunes slowly turning, or whether cynical politics will erode the genuine merits of the designs before us today.
From the NYTimes:
Architecture Review
At Ground Zero, Towers for Forgetting
By NICOLAI OUROUSSOFF
The designs unveiled last week for three sleek glass towers at ground zero rise above the mediocrity we have come to expect from a planning process driven by political opportunism, backdoor deal-making and commercial greed.
But for those who cling to the idea that the site’s haunting history demands a leap of imagination, the towers illustrate how low our expectations have sunk since the city first resolved to rebuild there in a surge of determination just weeks after 9/11.
Designed by Norman Foster, Richard Rogers and Fumihiko Maki, the towers are solid, competent work by three first-rate talents. But each of these architects is capable of far more. Lord Foster has shown us better work recently in Midtown Manhattan, where his faceted Hearst Tower plunges through the top of an existing 1920’s building with impressive force.
Architectural merit aside, the most telling features of the ground zero master plan remain those in which the city’s anxieties bubble up to the surface: in the paranoia implied by David Childs’s heavily armored Freedom Tower, for example, or the defiant grandiosity of Santiago Calatrava’s transportation hub. By comparison, the three new towers are about forgetting. Conservative and coolly corporate, they could be imagined in just about any Western capital, paralleling the effacement of history in the remade, blatantly commercial Potsdamer Platz in Berlin or La Défense, the incongruous office-tower district just outside Paris.
Lord Foster set out to confront the emotional trauma at ground zero in a design he submitted in a master plan competition four years ago. His proposal, for two slender glass-and-steel towers that swayed in and out as they rose, seeming to meet here and there in a gentle kiss, captured the aura of the old twin towers. That proposal, a plan for the entire site, was rejected.
This time he was limited to a single tower at the northeast corner of the site, with a mandate to pack commercial and retail space onto a more constricted area. The result is bulkier. The building, which at 1,254 feet, with an additional 85-foot antenna (not pictured in the widely distributed renderings) would be the second tallest in the city after the Freedom Tower, rises straight up from its base with no setbacks. A vertical notch cut into each of its facades creates deep, brooding shadows; the top is sliced at a sharp diagonal that tilts toward the memorial pools below. One assumes that this is intended to imbue the structure with a quasi-mystical significance, but it’s a cheap gesture.
The simplistic nod to the memorial echoes the saccharine symbolism of Daniel Libeskind’s Wedge of Light plaza, whose form is based on the position of the sun five years ago this morning, when the two airliners reached the end of their deadly trajectory. Similarly, Lord Foster, Lord Rogers and Mr. Maki emphasize their buildings’ transparency, a tired cliché for the openness of a democratic society. But transparency is not just about openness. It’s about voyeurism, exhibitionism and surveillance, the last of which is probably more relevant than “freedom†at ground zero.
The towers by Lord Rogers and Mr. Maki are more convincing as architecture. Set on a transparent base just south of Lord Foster’s tower, Lord Rogers’s building is supported by a series of massive steel cross braces that give it structural muscle. Its glass facades extend up beyond the top of the building, a familiar architectural trick that will create the illusion that the tower is dissolving into the sky. It adds a much-needed touch of lightness to the densest part of the skyline.
Mr. Maki’s tower, the most elegant of the three, is also the most deceptively simple. As it rises, its prismatic form morphs from a square to a trapezoid, giving it an air of geometric purity that is somewhat closer in spirit to the old World Trade Center towers.
Over all, the massive scale of the three towers, which are slightly staggered in height, will extend the dense canyons of Wall Street right up to the edge of the memorial site, not a bad idea. The disparate styles of the Rogers and Maki towers in particular, which are separated by a mere 47 feet, could create an interesting visual tension in the skyline.
The big problem is down below on the street. In a small but important recent victory, the city has decided to rebuild Cortlandt Street as an open-air pedestrian walkway, countering the Port Authority’s proposal to cover it with a glass canopy. Framed by Lord Rogers’s tower to the north and Mr. Maki’s to the south, the pedestrian corridor will form one of the most dramatic visual approaches to the memorial site.
But that victory has been compromised by the Port Authority’s determination to pack as much retail space as possible into the buildings. Current plans call for several stories at the base of each tower to be occupied by stores, raising the specter of vertical urban malls on the order of the Time Warner Center at Columbus Circle. Like Skidmore, Owings & Merrill, Time Warner’s architects, Lord Foster, Lord Rogers and Mr. Maki have sheathed their retail sections in glass, the difference being that shoppers will peer down into the memorial pits instead of down 59th Street.
The sense that the three towers are typical development fare, if a notch above standard, is reinforced by Mr. Calatrava’s transportation hub, whose glittering elliptical form, capped by its two winglike canopies, will sit between Lord Rogers’s tower, to the south, and Lord Foster’s, to the north. Insisting on the inviolate purity of his great central hall, Mr. Calatrava arranged to have his building’s mechanical systems located within the bases of the nearby towers, adding to their bulk.
Through astute political maneuvering, he also persuaded government officials to locate the entrances to the No. 1 subway line in the Foster tower and the R and W trains in the Rogers building. Mr. Calatrava’s hub — larger than the great hall at Grand Central — will serve only the PATH trains to New Jersey, whose tracks lie across Greenwich Street, underneath the memorial site. The risk is that his transit hub will resemble the enormous lobby he famously designed for the Milwaukee Museum of Art, exuding a look-at-me braggadocio at the expense of serviceable function.
It is far from clear that these three towers will be built in their current form. It is almost inevitable that the Police Department will raise security concerns, challenging the abundance of glass at street level, for example.
But at least we are beginning to see a real architectural composition emerge, one that for all its flaws, represents a serious effort to raise the level of conversation at ground zero. The question is whether our fortunes slowly turning, or whether cynical politics will erode the genuine merits of the designs before us today.