khris
Senior Member
Do these buses run all year, or are they seasonal?
I'd love to see a monorail.
I'd love to see a monorail.
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APTA-2048
Senior Member
They are seasonal; April to October.
I've heard that there are plans to replace them soon, but no other details.
I've heard that there are plans to replace them soon, but no other details.
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W. K. Lis
Superstar
The Niagara, St. Catharines and Toronto Railway Company ran passenger interurban (streetcar) service. Unfortunately, they replaced them with buses.
From Transit History of St. Catherines:
From Transit History of St. Catherines:
Last Passenger Runs by NS&T Line
St. Catharines - Niagara-on-the-Lake — 15 January 1931
St. Catharines - Thorold - Niagara Falls — 16 September 1947
Thorold - Port Colborne — 28 March 1959
St. Catharines - Port Dalhousie — 06 August 1950
Electric freight operation continued until 01 June 1960
St. Catharines - Niagara-on-the-Lake — 15 January 1931
St. Catharines - Thorold - Niagara Falls — 16 September 1947
Thorold - Port Colborne — 28 March 1959
St. Catharines - Port Dalhousie — 06 August 1950
Electric freight operation continued until 01 June 1960
rbt
Senior Member
It's doable (Shenzhen to Hong Kong) has very large trains (~1500 person capacity every 5 minutes) at the border. Run two lines (one on each side) with customs in between them.
Very frequent and small sized trains are better to minimize customs requirements. An automated monorail with frequencies of 60 to 90 seconds and seating for 30 people would do it.
Ed Drass
Active Member
People Mover upgrade?
Old news:
http://www.niagarafalls.ca/city_hal...ation_services/transit/people_mover/index.asp
http://www.niagarafalls.ca/city_hal...e_mover/environmental_economic_assessment.asp
Newer news:
http://www.niagarafallsreview.ca/PrintArticle.aspx?e=1531949
Monorail dream is dead
After years of people-mover planning, council chooses affordable buses over trains
Posted 3 months ago
The monorail dream is dead.
The city’s people mover system will be a rubber-tired bus system as a result of a council decision Monday to abandon the decades-old idea of building a fixed-link public transit system to serve the tourism areas.
etc.
Old news:
http://www.niagarafalls.ca/city_hal...ation_services/transit/people_mover/index.asp
http://www.niagarafalls.ca/city_hal...e_mover/environmental_economic_assessment.asp
Newer news:
http://www.niagarafallsreview.ca/PrintArticle.aspx?e=1531949
Monorail dream is dead
After years of people-mover planning, council chooses affordable buses over trains
Posted 3 months ago
The monorail dream is dead.
The city’s people mover system will be a rubber-tired bus system as a result of a council decision Monday to abandon the decades-old idea of building a fixed-link public transit system to serve the tourism areas.
etc.
waterloowarrior
Senior Member
Sep 28, 2009 09:15 ET
Canada and Ontario Invest in Niagara People Mover Projecthttp://www.marketwire.com/press-release/Infrastructure-Canada-1051143.html
NIAGARA FALLS, ONTARIO--(Marketwire - Sept. 28, 2009) - The City of Niagara Falls will soon benefit from a new bus system thanks to a joint investment by the Governments of Canada and Ontario, the Honourable Rob Nicholson, P.C., Q.C., Member of Parliament for Niagara Falls, Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada, the Honourable George Smitherman, Deputy Premier of Ontario and Minister of Energy and Infrastructure, Kim Craitor, MPP for Niagara Falls, and His Worship Ted Salci, Mayor of Niagara Falls, announced today.
"The Government of Canada is proud to be a long-time supporter of this project," said Minister Nicholson. "The Niagara People Mover will contribute to easier movement of people in this great city. We are happy to join with the Government of Ontario and the City in making this long-awaited project a reality."
"With the Convention Centre coming on stream and the commitment to Casino Niagara, it's appropriate to get the People Mover Project moving forward again," said MPP Craitor. "The province's successful investment in the GO Train service to Niagara shows just how popular and needed a comprehensive integrated transit plan is to our tourist industry. This provincial investment on top of the 2003 federal government allocation will provide the funds to get people moving to our wonderful attractions quickly and efficiently."
"The new Niagara People Mover project will be a great way for local residents and tourists alike to further explore this vibrant and dynamic City," said Minister Smitherman. "Ontario's investment will help create jobs, build a stronger community, and provide economic stimulus to the area."
"The Niagara Falls People Mover Project is one of the most important projects to our city," said Mayor Salci. "This project will enable our city to fully integrate the transportation needs of both our residents and visitors alike while meeting the federal and provincial government objectives of developing employment and new growth in the City of Niagara Falls."
The Government of Ontario is setting aside one-half of eligible costs of the project, up to a maximum contribution of $25 million. The Government of Canada has previously announced the same contribution. The total estimated cost for the first phase of the Niagara People Mover project is $50 million.
The new bus system will enhance the existing transportation systems already in place. It is designed to provide greater access for visitors to the tourism facilities within the Niagara Falls area. The proposed route will also include a connection to the VIA station, where riders can access the new GO Transit service.
Demonstrating their commitment to stimulating the economy and creating jobs, the governments of Canada and Ontario are moving forward with a number of large scale infrastructure programs to assist Ontarians when they need it most. Both governments have jointly invested approximately $6.5 billion towards nearly 1,700 projects through the Infrastructure Stimulus Fund (ISF), and the Building Canada Fund - Major Infrastructure and Communities Components. These historical investments will help support job creation and strengthen Ontario's economy.
BACKGROUNDER
PEOPLE MOVER PROJECT
The City of Niagara Falls is one of Canada's most important tourism areas and improved services are necessary to ensure it remains a priority for visitors from around the world.
The City of Niagara Falls has long had a vision to provide a modern integrated people mover system to enhance the experience of visitors and extend their stay. Niagara Falls' current People Mover System was inaugurated in 1985.
The new bus system will enhance the existing transportation systems already in place. It is designed to provide greater access for visitors to the tourism facilities within the Niagara Falls area. The proposed route will also include a connection to the VIA station, where riders can access the new GO Transit service.
The Government of Canada has previously announced its contribution of up to $25 million towards this initiative, and today's announcement confirms matching funding from the Province of Ontario towards these improvements.
Federal and provincial financial support is conditional on the project meeting all applicable eligibility and approval requirements and on the signing of a contribution agreement with the City of Niagara Falls.
Canada and Ontario Invest in Niagara People Mover Projecthttp://www.marketwire.com/press-release/Infrastructure-Canada-1051143.html
NIAGARA FALLS, ONTARIO--(Marketwire - Sept. 28, 2009) - The City of Niagara Falls will soon benefit from a new bus system thanks to a joint investment by the Governments of Canada and Ontario, the Honourable Rob Nicholson, P.C., Q.C., Member of Parliament for Niagara Falls, Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada, the Honourable George Smitherman, Deputy Premier of Ontario and Minister of Energy and Infrastructure, Kim Craitor, MPP for Niagara Falls, and His Worship Ted Salci, Mayor of Niagara Falls, announced today.
"The Government of Canada is proud to be a long-time supporter of this project," said Minister Nicholson. "The Niagara People Mover will contribute to easier movement of people in this great city. We are happy to join with the Government of Ontario and the City in making this long-awaited project a reality."
"With the Convention Centre coming on stream and the commitment to Casino Niagara, it's appropriate to get the People Mover Project moving forward again," said MPP Craitor. "The province's successful investment in the GO Train service to Niagara shows just how popular and needed a comprehensive integrated transit plan is to our tourist industry. This provincial investment on top of the 2003 federal government allocation will provide the funds to get people moving to our wonderful attractions quickly and efficiently."
"The new Niagara People Mover project will be a great way for local residents and tourists alike to further explore this vibrant and dynamic City," said Minister Smitherman. "Ontario's investment will help create jobs, build a stronger community, and provide economic stimulus to the area."
"The Niagara Falls People Mover Project is one of the most important projects to our city," said Mayor Salci. "This project will enable our city to fully integrate the transportation needs of both our residents and visitors alike while meeting the federal and provincial government objectives of developing employment and new growth in the City of Niagara Falls."
The Government of Ontario is setting aside one-half of eligible costs of the project, up to a maximum contribution of $25 million. The Government of Canada has previously announced the same contribution. The total estimated cost for the first phase of the Niagara People Mover project is $50 million.
The new bus system will enhance the existing transportation systems already in place. It is designed to provide greater access for visitors to the tourism facilities within the Niagara Falls area. The proposed route will also include a connection to the VIA station, where riders can access the new GO Transit service.
Demonstrating their commitment to stimulating the economy and creating jobs, the governments of Canada and Ontario are moving forward with a number of large scale infrastructure programs to assist Ontarians when they need it most. Both governments have jointly invested approximately $6.5 billion towards nearly 1,700 projects through the Infrastructure Stimulus Fund (ISF), and the Building Canada Fund - Major Infrastructure and Communities Components. These historical investments will help support job creation and strengthen Ontario's economy.
BACKGROUNDER
PEOPLE MOVER PROJECT
The City of Niagara Falls is one of Canada's most important tourism areas and improved services are necessary to ensure it remains a priority for visitors from around the world.
The City of Niagara Falls has long had a vision to provide a modern integrated people mover system to enhance the experience of visitors and extend their stay. Niagara Falls' current People Mover System was inaugurated in 1985.
The new bus system will enhance the existing transportation systems already in place. It is designed to provide greater access for visitors to the tourism facilities within the Niagara Falls area. The proposed route will also include a connection to the VIA station, where riders can access the new GO Transit service.
The Government of Canada has previously announced its contribution of up to $25 million towards this initiative, and today's announcement confirms matching funding from the Province of Ontario towards these improvements.
Federal and provincial financial support is conditional on the project meeting all applicable eligibility and approval requirements and on the signing of a contribution agreement with the City of Niagara Falls.
Second_in_pie
Senior Member
Should've been a monorail... Should've been a monorail...
Long Island Mike
Senior Member
The Niagara People Mover: BRT it can be...
Wylie: Good pics of the Niagara Parks Commission's People Mover - I remember the same vehicles from my 80s trips there. They could be considered BRT in a way but it is not utilized by regular commuters.
They sell a POP ticket-what is the cost and how often do riders get checked for payment compliance?
I can see a BRT or perhaps an LRT line using the abandoned CASO right of way SW from the Queen Street area serving as a good example Clifton Hill on its way to the Hotel and Casino District. A Niagara Transit BRT may be a better bet,though...
A monorail would be quite an step forward for NFS but will the Governments be willing to fund it? Thoughts from LI MIKE
Wylie: Good pics of the Niagara Parks Commission's People Mover - I remember the same vehicles from my 80s trips there. They could be considered BRT in a way but it is not utilized by regular commuters.
They sell a POP ticket-what is the cost and how often do riders get checked for payment compliance?
I can see a BRT or perhaps an LRT line using the abandoned CASO right of way SW from the Queen Street area serving as a good example Clifton Hill on its way to the Hotel and Casino District. A Niagara Transit BRT may be a better bet,though...
A monorail would be quite an step forward for NFS but will the Governments be willing to fund it? Thoughts from LI MIKE
Ed Drass
Active Member
Awesome -- any more specifics on route, etc.?
http://www.niagarafallsreview.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=1772489
Can anyone find a link to the map behind Smitherman?
http://www.niagarafallsreview.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=1772489
Can anyone find a link to the map behind Smitherman?
CodeMonkey
Active Member
Better yet, why don't they build a ICTS/ART. The province wants a ICTS/ART in Toronto. Why not send it there insted? The service runs from April to October as A. Badaraco said and the wouldn't have to deal with the snow. I couldn't think of a perfect fit.
Bootstrap Bill
New Member
They did it in Europe years ago. Long before the EU.
jje1000
Senior Member
This thread is truly a blast from the past- the People Mover and its unique domed Orion buses disappeared into history in 2012, but I am wondering - as Niagara Falls continues to develop with a new convention centre and performing arts hub around the Fallsview area, and a new hub at the Niagara GO terminal being planned, is there any opportunity for a real BRT/LRT system to be developed?
The current Parks System bus map (what the People Mover became):
www.niagarafallslive.com
Current 'normal' bus map here:
GO Hub Secondary Plan- By 2041:
Reposted from another thread:
Any thoughts on this? For such a magnificent natural monument, Niagara Falls is sure surrounded by two rather dumpy and undeveloped cities- though each do occasionally have their flashes of excellence.
The current Parks System bus map (what the People Mover became):
Niagara Parks People Mover
The Niagara Parks WeGo transportation is a great way to get around and see the sights in Niagara Falls for one low price. Leave your car behind!
www.niagarafallslive.com
GO Hub Secondary Plan- By 2041:
Reposted from another thread:
Any thoughts on this? For such a magnificent natural monument, Niagara Falls is sure surrounded by two rather dumpy and undeveloped cities- though each do occasionally have their flashes of excellence.
Woodbridge_Heights
Senior Member
This thread is truly a blast from the past- the People Mover and its unique domed Orion buses disappeared into history in 2012, but I am wondering - as Niagara Falls continues to develop with a new convention centre and performing arts hub around the Fallsview area, and a new hub at the Niagara GO terminal being planned, is there any opportunity for a real BRT/LRT system to be developed?
The current Parks System bus map (what the People Mover became):
Current 'normal' bus map here:Niagara Parks People Mover
The Niagara Parks WeGo transportation is a great way to get around and see the sights in Niagara Falls for one low price. Leave your car behind!
GO Hub Secondary Plan- By 2041:
View attachment 264802
Reposted from another thread:
Any thoughts on this? For such a magnificent natural monument, Niagara Falls is sure surrounded by two rather dumpy and undeveloped cities- though each do occasionally have their flashes of excellence.
I like the idea of using the Olympic torch trail ROW (route B). Now this may be my tendency towards orthogonal routings but your route C could also be implemented but run along Bridge st to Stanely Ave, and then down to the Fallsview area.
B would primarily serve trips to from Clifton Hill while C would serve the residential areas around the train station, the corridor of lower end Hotels/Motels, and the Fallsview area.
I've always thought that Niagara Falls would be the perfect spot to build a Heritage Streetcar route (à la San Francisco's F Market route). Route B in the map above is pretty much the exact route that I envision, only with the south end being at the Niagara Falls Incline (for direct Falls access).
That type of thing would be a tourist attraction unto itself, and would fit in perfectly in a kinda kitschy Niagara Falls-esque way.
That type of thing would be a tourist attraction unto itself, and would fit in perfectly in a kinda kitschy Niagara Falls-esque way.
Johnny Au
Senior Member
An opportunity had been wasted to purchase the CLRVs from the TTC.