Videodrome
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Does being married with three kids count as celibacy? 
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W. K. Lis
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W. K. Lis
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Memorials now appearing at Mel Lastman Square, in addition to the original at Olive Square Park.
AlbertC
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Murder trial begins for the Alek Minassian case:
www.theglobeandmail.com
Toronto van attack defendant says he’s not criminally responsible as murder trial begins
The 25-year-old drove a rental van down the sidewalk of Toronto’s busy Yonge Street, killing eight women and two men and seriously injuring 16 others, in the city’s worst mass killing on April 23, 2018
www.theglobeandmail.com
Admiral Beez
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I don’t know how a mental defence would would in this case. It’s not like he was seeing demons on a Greyhound and was compelled to lop off the head of another passenger. In this case the perp said he did it, said why he did it, claimed he wanted to hurt women, and strategized on how to do it. We have intent, planning, motivation and execution. What more is needed?Murder trial begins for the Alek Minassian case:
Toronto van attack defendant says he’s not criminally responsible as murder trial begins
The 25-year-old drove a rental van down the sidewalk of Toronto’s busy Yonge Street, killing eight women and two men and seriously injuring 16 others, in the city’s worst mass killing on April 23, 2018
lenaitch
Senior Member
It will be a 'battle of the experts'.
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
Verdict: Guilty on *ALL* counts.
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Videodrome
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We need a life without parole option for people like him.
Northern Light
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I don't think we should ever craft laws with the most exceptional or extreme circumstance in mind; such laws invariably have their usage extended to circumstances they ought not; and can be used to justify other repressive laws.
We already have a provision open to the Crown to extend the term of a sentence beyond 25 years; the 'Dangerous Offender' provision.
That was not sought here, to my understanding.
Northern Light
Superstar
In respect of the decision; I was intrigued by the judge's choice not to name the accused (now convicted) party here.
She observed that a key motivation on his part for the acts involved was obtaining notoriety and she would not contribute to same.
She instead referred to him as 'John Doe'.
I'd be interested to know if that's a first in Canadian Courts; its certainly a rarity.
As per: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/minassian-trial-decision-1.5933687
She observed that a key motivation on his part for the acts involved was obtaining notoriety and she would not contribute to same.
She instead referred to him as 'John Doe'.
I'd be interested to know if that's a first in Canadian Courts; its certainly a rarity.
As per: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/minassian-trial-decision-1.5933687
Videodrome
Senior Member
He got automatic life as a result of the verdict. What will be decided is if the sentences will be concurrent or consecutive.
Johnny Au
Senior Member
Since he's an incel, castration could have been a fitting punishment. He could get castrated in exchange for shorter prison sentence (but since he committed many counts of murder and attempted murder, it's unlikely even if he chose to be castrated).
Czechia even experimented with painless chemical castration as punishment (though for rapists rather than incels who committed murder for ideological reasons) and Czechia prohibits cruel and/or unusual punishment.
Czechia even experimented with painless chemical castration as punishment (though for rapists rather than incels who committed murder for ideological reasons) and Czechia prohibits cruel and/or unusual punishment.
afransen
Senior Member
Not knowing anything about him, he may have been radicalized by the internet much like some Islamist terrorists. I won't lie, I was on my way to the airport when this attack happened and was worried that it was an Islamist attack (given the spate of similar attacks in France at the time). Not sure how much of this was driven by mental illness... I'm less interested in punishment (won't be effective in dissuading future attacks as most end in suicide) vs protecting the public. I don't think he needs to be kept in jail for 50 years if he can deradicalized and receive treatment.
Johnny Au
Senior Member
Don't forget that there's entire websites and communities dedicated to incel and alt-right ideology. These websites and online communities are collectively called alt-tech.
Alt-tech - Wikipedia
If we want to prevent the creation of future Minassians, governments and website admins and mods need to crack down on alt-tech and on mainstream social media and video games. Free speech does not apply to privately run websites.
In the meantime, it's very difficult to deradicalize incels without them complaining of "censorship by 'SJWs'."
There's a subreddit dedicated to men's sexuality from a progressive non-toxic perspective:
r/MensLib
r/MensLib: The men's issues discussion has been sorely held back by counterproductive tribalism. We're building a new dialogue on the real issues …
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