[AlvinofDiaspar]

Well, unlike the Miliary of France that had a singular focus and forgot about the Ardenne Forest...

We have done a great effort of enforcing health measures and more strict maintenance would require more authoritarian laws that Canadians dont want or politicians dont want. People clearly want to go outdoors and do some shopping and live some sort of life but understand no parties, no hugging and wear masks mostly.

While we slowly work to reduce the cases to a handful a day (i doubt we will eliminate the Virus fully), we have seen in NZ, Australia that it can just take one traveller coming into the country to set off a whole new chain of infections after getting things in control.

Also, I dont think we can sustain closing the borders till we have a Vaccine and have to allow some sort of travel and "Fortress Canada" seems one way of doing that.

The situation in Canada is actually really good as we are doing 150-200k tests in Ontario. Its the only reason why we still have lots of cases, while a lot of other places have just said no cases and hardly any tests.

You don't even have a situation where there is zero community transmission, pretending that the threat is only from the outside is inviting a resurgence within.

AoD

 

[Jasmine18]

You don't even have a situation where there is zero community transmission, pretending that the threat is only from the outside is inviting a resurgence within.

AoD

Are you like a sith or something

You like deal in absolutes

 

[AlvinofDiaspar]

Are you like a sith or something

You like deal in absolutes

It is precisely the opposite - strength is ensuring that there is capacity to test, trace and treat any community outbreak; that there is sufficient PPE when the need arises, that there is good data collection and coordination between levels of government - it isn't solely, and resting easy on ring-fencing the country. The US assumed just the latter will work; Australia did it while maintaining a strong public health ground game - and it made all the difference (and even then it was unable to prevent failure in the ring-fencing - it still had to fall back on public health measures as the outbreak in Victoria very clearly illustrated).

The current lull buys time to beef up the ground game - it isn't "mission accomplished" - and the public should definitely not let their guard down as if everything is normal.

AoD

 

[Johnny Au]

According to Worldometer, at least one percent of the population of the United States has a COVID-19 case.

1 case in every 100 people is one percent of the total population.

 

[Jonny5]

The continual focus on the border without consideration towards beefing up the public health capacity for the public, nor strict maintenance of health measures by the public at large isn't Fortress Canada, it's the Maginot Line.
AoD

Excellent analogy. We don't need fear politics here. Following simple and accessible procedures will keep us safe.

 

[Jasmine18]

According to Worldometer, at least one percent of the population of the United States has a COVID-19 case.

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1 case in every 100 people is one percent of the total population.

Based on the number of deaths likely is well more actual cases.

 

[Jasmine18]

It is precisely the opposite - strength is ensuring that there is capacity to test, trace and treat any community outbreak; that there is sufficient PPE when the need arises, that there is good data collection and coordination between levels of government - it isn't solely, and resting easy on ring-fencing the country. The US assumed just the latter will work; Australia did it while maintaining a strong public health ground game - and it made all the difference (and even then it was unable to prevent failure in the ring-fencing - it still had to fall back on public health measures as the outbreak in Victoria very clearly illustrated).

The current lull buys time to beef up the ground game - it isn't "mission accomplished" - and the public should definitely not let their guard down as if everything is normal.

AoD

You're talking about the past I'm talking about now.

Plus we share a border with America.

We are testing a lot and unlike many who want to shut down life for a year.

We are going to stage 3 soon and somewhat normal life but we will
-ban large gatherings
-force masks ise
-test a lot
-keep the borders closed


Like we are pretty much in fortress canada mode as we continue to have some of the most strictest immigration rules due to coronorovirus in the world

 

[W. K. Lis]

Each person who comes into Canada (Canadian, American, Earthling, etc.) should get a COVID-19 test, along with contact information. They should self-isolate until they get the results. If positive, they'll should be isolated. Another test to confirm positive or negative should be done after 14 days.

 

[AlvinofDiaspar]

You're talking about the past I'm talking about now.

Plus we share a border with America.

We are testing a lot and unlike many who want to shut down life for a year.

We are going to stage 3 soon and somewhat normal life but we will
-ban large gatherings
-force masks ise
-test a lot
-keep the borders closed


Like we are pretty much in fortress canada mode as we continue to have some of the most strictest immigration rules due to coronorovirus in the world

I am talking about the future, and the need to deal with probably inevitable second wave. Moving to stage 3 doesn't change that need - in fact it may trigger that wave (as it did in other places).

AoD

 

[Jasmine18]

I am talking about the future, and the need to deal with probably inevitable second wave. Moving to stage 3 doesn't change that need - in fact it may trigger that wave (as it did in other places).

AoD

So if it were left to you we still be in stage 1 still.

 

[AlvinofDiaspar]

So if it were left to you we still be in stage 1 still.

No, but I wouldn't be in a rush to get to Stage 3 when you still have unknown community transmission either. Also there is no province wide requirement to mask up; no confirmation of how much testing capacity the province has, constantly changing plans for schools (which as it turned out is a major setting for transmission), etc. That's not the sign of readiness.

AoD

 

[Jasmine18]

We are doing 150k plus tests a week though with a low very positive rate which means low community transmission.

I agree toronto should likely go stage 3 past labour day but most of the province can though soon.

 

[Admiral Beez]

Well, unlike the Miliary of France that had a singular focus and forgot about the Ardenne Forest...

This is our Ardenne Forest. Diseased Americans claiming the right to enter Canada to reach Alaska.

 

[Johnny Au]

This is our Ardenne Forest. Diseased Americans claiming the right to enter Canada to reach Alaska.

Don't forget about the folks in Point Roberts, WA. They are separated from the rest of the United States by Boundary Bay and Point Roberts' only land connection is through Delta, BC.

 

[AlbertC]

Coronavirus outbreak hits Los Angeles Apparel with more than 300 infections, 4 employee deaths

JULY 11, 2020

When the coronavirus began rapidly spreading in the spring, Los Angeles Apparel was one of many fashion brands that altered operations to make reusable masks.

The company’s flamboyant founder, Dov Charney, said in March that his 400 employees were trying to keep up with the desperate need for protection and that he hoped to eventually make 100,000 masks a week.

But authorities now say a coronavirus outbreak has struck Los Angeles Apparel, with more than 300 infections and four virus-related deaths among the manufacturer’s workers.

The Los Angeles County Department of Public Health said that it first shut down operations at the South L.A. garment manufacturer June 27 after inspectors found “flagrant violations” of public health infection control orders and said the company failed to cooperate with an investigation of a reported coronavirus outbreak. On Thursday, the department ordered the continued suspension of Los Angeles Apparel’s operations, officials said Friday.

Coronavirus outbreak hits Los Angeles Apparel with more than 300 infections, 4 employee deaths

L.A. County public health officials found “flagrant violations” of infection control orders and said the company failed to cooperate with an investigation of a reported coronavirus outbreak.

www.latimes.com