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Point is then let bars open then...and let them fight for themselves.


Or end up in a city with no bars or clubs if you force them to close for a year which would really negatively impact the city.

I think the issue is that the focus is to prevent mass death. However we will not have that in Toronto at all.

So we can also look at the other effects while other areas have more basic concerns.

It's not we go "hey we dont have 30k deaths, it's all good".

I think having the entertainment and cultural life of the be totally destroyed would be a real negative.


I think w are looking at covid like if it's like construction on St Clair Streetcar for small business.

The reality it's like if you are forced to close but everyone else can open on St. Claire.

Govt banning a certain sector while opening 95% of the rest of the economy is a unique situation.

Plus cerb will be ending soon anyways so the issue is what happens after.
 
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Jasmine18 said:
Point is then let bars open then...and let them fight for themselves.
Or end up in a city with no bars or clubs if you force them to close for a year which would really negatively impact the city.
I think the issue is that the focus is to prevent mass death. However we will not have that in Toronto at all.

So we can also look at the other effects while other areas have more basic concerns.

It's not we go "hey we dont have 30k deaths, it's all good".

I think having the entertainment and cultural life of the be totally destroyed would be a real negative.


I think w are looking at covid like if it's like construction on St Clair Streetcar for small business.

The reality it's like if you are forced to close but everyone else can open on St. Claire.

Govt banning a certain sector while opening 95% of the rest of the economy is a unique situation.

Plus cerb will be ending soon anyways so the issue is what happens after.
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Sorry, the government is responsible for the cost of contagion as a result of spread in these high-risk settings (and there are more than enough instances of late to show that it is inevitable). In essence, you would be transferring private risk to the public and still end up with a situation where the public will be forced to close them. That's a lose-lose.

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AlvinofDiaspar said:
Sorry, the government is responsible for the cost of contagion as a result of spread in these high-risk settings (and there are more than enough instances of late to show that it is inevitable). In essence, you would be transferring private risk to the public and still end up with a situation where the public will be forced to close them. That's a lose-lose.

AoD
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My point is that you are forcing bars to close out of extreme worry till a vaccine rather then letting them try to survive.
While everyone else can open.


Like you do get that the cultural, social and economic impacts of covid 19 as well apart from deaths which are now a handful in canada.
 
Jasmine18 said:
My point is that you are forcing bars to close out of extreme worry till a vaccine rather theb letting them try to survive.
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I always place safeguarding public health and increasing the probability of survival for people over the survival of businesses - much less non-essential businesses.

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We have covid under control in canada.
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You can easily lose what control you had - just ask Australia and Israel.

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I always place safeguarding public health and increasing the probability of survival for people over the survival of businesses - much less non-essential businesses.

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There are more people dying right now from a closed down medical system then covid 19 in canada.


There are countless people that can't get into a doctor's office and can't see a specialist.

Where is your worry there.


We have covid under control in canada.
 
Jasmine18 said:
There are more people dying right now from a closed down medical system then covid 19 in canada.
Where is your worry there.
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What makes you think that I don't support policies aimed at reopening the medical system for essential services safely? You are putting words in my mouth conflating bars with doctors and hospitals.

AoD
 
AlvinofDiaspar said:
What makes you think that I don't support policies aimed at reopening the medical system for essential services safely? You are conflating bars with doctors and hospitals.

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Point is that you are acting paranoid due to the USA but we are not the USA.

Yes covid-19 is a serious public threat but we have it under control in Canada and doesn't mean we have to sabotage everything else.

Personally what I think a good medium is to close down parts of streets and parking lots to let bars open outside as we know the chance of spread outdoors is non existent pretty much.


Like I am not saying bail them out fully but we can do things to help them.
 
Jasmine18 said:
Point is that you are acting paranoid due to the USA but we are not the USA.

Yes covid-19 is a serious public threat but we have it under control in Canada and doesn't mean we have to sabotage everything else.

Personally what I think a good medium is to close down parts of streets and parking lots to let bars open outside as we know the chance of spread outdoors is non existent pretty much.

Like I am not saying bail them out fully but we can do things to help them.
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Those who believe they are innately superior will end up proving otherwise. Nobody is suggesting bars and restaurant's can't open outdoors - but broad reopening for indoor dining and drinking? That's just begging for trouble, as Montreal found out.

Stop shifting your points just to be argumentative.

AoD
 
AlvinofDiaspar said:
Those who believe they are innately superior will end up proving otherwise. Nobody is suggesting bars and restaurant's can't open outdoors - but broad reopening for indoor dining and drinking? That's just begging for trouble, as Montreal found out.

Stop shifting your points just to be argumentative.

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But many European countries have no issues though.

Like in america its cause 20 guys go to a bar and share drinks and hug and that.

Maybe put strict rules 33 percent capacity..

max groups of 4.

Put a limit on drinks as to dissuade binge drinking vs casual drinking as then really drunk people dont follow any rules.


Or wait till cases are even less


Like there are many ways to mitigate risk then a blanket ban which is economically destructive.

Like my idea is to give them some chance ...cause a city with no bars in 2021 .
 
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