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gibsonm said:
You’re getting into semantics. Making it very hard to do normal activities and losing employment is coercive by any metric.
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It's actually not that hard. Just get vaccinated. They made a choice.

gibsonm said:
The screening and testing leads to isolating asymptomatic positives and their household members, making it hard to staff workplaces. Dysfunctional.
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What are you proposing? Just don't do tests so that it spreads even more, meaning our hospitals can be even more inundated, just so that it's easier for you to staff your workplaces?

gibsonm said:
Canada is definitely in a bubble of fear porn and learned helplessness. The public seems paralyzed. Most people don’t want to make any big plans for travel or community activities because, like the mouse that gets electrocuted at random and eventually lays there in resignation, Canadians are always waiting for the next directive. Dysfunctional.

Britain and much of the US have figured it out. Many European countries are figuring it out. Trudeau is deflecting criticism by calling anyone who disagrees with the old narrative extremist or racist. People are starting to see through it.
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If you want more freedom and want to stay in Canada, move to Alberta. If you hate Canada so much and admire US/UK polices, move to the US or UK, just an honest and helpful suggestion. There are severe shortages in labour in both countries, especially with Brexit impacting worker supply. You'll probably be happier for it, since you seem to hate what's going on here.
 
Rimsky44 said:
It's actually not that hard. Just get vaccinated. They made a choice.



What are you proposing? Just don't do tests so that it spreads even more, meaning our hospitals can be even more inundated, just so that it's easier for you to staff your workplaces?



If you want more freedom and want to stay in Canada, move to Alberta. If you hate Canada so much and admire US/UK polices, move to the US or UK, just an honest and helpful suggestion. There are severe shortages in labour in both countries, especially with Brexit impacting worker supply. You'll probably be happier for it, since you seem to hate what's going on here.
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So sad what’s happened to Canada. Sometimes “you don’t know what you’ve got ‘til it’s gone.”
 
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So far, this is a far cry from 50,000 trucks.
https://twitter.com/x/status/1487074460062699521
 
One is free to defend some or all of the public health restrictions, as a matter of preference; and arguing that the 'Reasonable Limits' clause in the Charter may allow for the restrictions on freedoms imposed under the former.

One may not argue there are no restrictions on Charter-guaranteed freedoms, since they are self-evident.

From the Charter:

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If public health laws have the effect of depriving one of employment, except where one consents to a medical procedure that is clearly a violation of security of the person.

Further:

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Clearly the restrictions imposed interfere with 2b The only question is whether those restrictions are justified under S.1

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One could certainly also contend that the rules violate 2, d (perhaps even c):

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None of which is to argue against vaccination, nor against reasonable public health measures.
It is to argue against polemicism and extremism, where the facts appear to be an afterthought, rather than the basis of informed debate.

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I'm in favour of a science-based, facts-first discussion on all things.

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For the record, the convoy is full of idiots, and extremists who I would not associate with or endorse in the least.

But the arguments raised should be thoughtfully parsed rather than dismissed out of hand.
 
What self-satisfied nonsense. Canadian democracy today: Impose and maintain some of the harshest lockdowns, restrictions and mandates on citizens in the developed world, brand opponents as moron misogynists/racists/extremists, and show solidarity with Ukraine by sending 60 ill-equipped soldiers to help ward off the second largest military superpower. Anyhoo, return to your hall of mirrors. Ignorance is bliss.
 
gibsonm said:
What self-satisfied nonsense. Canadian democracy today: Impose and maintain some of the harshest lockdowns, restrictions and mandates on citizens in the developed world, brand opponents as moron misogynists/racists/extremists, and show solidarity with Ukraine by sending 60 ill-equipped soldiers to help ward off the second largest military superpower. Anyhoo, return to your hall of mirrors. Ignorance is bliss.
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Are you ok?

I feel like when you're presented with a counter argument, you deflect with an unhinged rant.

So for the third time I'll say: Ontario is easing restrictions in 3 days.

Oh and look at what Dr Moore said. Isn't this what you wanted?
 
Rimsky44 said:
Northern, I'm not sure if you're a constitutional law expert - so apologize if I'm wrong as I clearly am not an expert and will defer to experts in the field. Experts in constitutional law don't think it's illegal, but people are free to fight it in court should they choice. https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coron...es-violate-canadians-charter-rights-1.5569971

Not allowing me to wear my birthday suit at work also deprives me of employment! I'm joking obviously.
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This article doesn't really address the employment bit. I am also not an expert, nor do I play one on TV, but in my lay opinion the right to earn a livelihood doesn't equate to the right to earn said livelihood in one particular job. So even if your employer mandates vaccines, as large employers such as the City of Toronto, the TTC and more have done, it doesn't prohibit you from finding employment elsewhere. There are many restrictions and requirements employers can and do mandate. There are employers who do not require vaccines.

I am also confident that the TTC and others consulted with experts before bringing in any health related mandates.
 
PinkLucy said:
This article doesn't really address the employment bit. I am also not an expert, nor do I play one on TV, but in my lay opinion the right to earn a livelihood doesn't equate to the right to earn said livelihood in one particular job. So even if your employer mandates vaccines, as large employers such as the City of Toronto, the TTC and more have done, it doesn't prohibit you from finding employment elsewhere. There are many restrictions and requirements employers can and do mandate. There are employers who do not require vaccines.

I am also confident that the TTC and others consulted with experts before bringing in any health related mandates.
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I deleted my response exactly because it didn't address the employment bit, but agree with you.
 
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