J T CUNNINGHAM
Senior Member
"I disagree completely with that! In all the mixed messages coming from the occupy movement, I can't believe you'd think the underlying message would be "let's keep the massive inequalities, but let me have a chance at being in the top 1%".
QUOTE Silence&Motion
So "S&M", just because TOareaFan is not "up" to your thinking does not give you licence to berate.
What's done, is done, so if I may take my liberty:
CLASS WAR is all about envy. The "foot soldiers" own prime directive is at the least two fold:
"I am entitled to what others have, and I want to have some "fun" while getting it."
I have seen this many times over a period of many years and many occurences.
"Anyway, the movement has already been successful (particularly in the US) in changing the national debate."
QUOTE "S&M"
(Being a very poor typist, I have taken the liberty to shorten your sign-in name to save my time here.)
The "skuttlebutt" from most known feeds is that there is a problem with the "delivery"; no coherent message at this time.
"Does anyone else remember how crazy it was that after financial deregulation sent the global economy into the ground . . ."
QUOTE "S&M"
What "financial deregulation"? The economy was done-in with the start of the subprime morgage "effort", which predated The Tea Party.
"the right-wing tea party movement somehow framed America's biggest problem as being "too much government"? "
QUOTE "S&M"
Certainly, too much government (ever heard the "Nanny State" rant?) and too many taxes supporting too many entitlements.
"After the 2010 elections, even Obama seemed to believe that the American people's top priority was cutting government spending"
QUOTE "S&M"
As James Carville has said "It's The Economy!". This POTUS has never cut spending without wanting more taxes on top. The Bush
tax cuts were already in place; just renew.
"and avoiding any major reforms such as health care that would destabilize the country further."
QUOTE "S&M"
"OBAMACARE" was "Rahmed" through Congress and did add more destaibilization due to the manner of it's execution and time line.
The Dems had to "get-it-done" before they lost The House and their majority beginning January,
"Simply putting income inequality and corporate power on the political map is a huge accomplishment."
QUOTE "S&M"
They have done nothing of the sort. (See above)
"Hopefully the occupy movement can sustain itself long enough to be translated into meaningful reforms."
QUOTE "S&M"
These "Reforms" that you mention; what reforms? (See above.) Are these reforms the ones that were promised by
"Hope & Change", "the most transparent government ever seen", "Draining the swamp"? What Reforms?
"Although the Democrats have not really embraced the movement, . . ."
QUOTE "S&M"
Really? I do suppose then that the more than encouraging words by The POTUS, The VPOTUS, The Senate Majority Leader,
The House Minority Leader, et al, (all Democrats) are not to be taken as holding any meaning? (LOL)
"they do seem emboldened by the current political climate and are pushing for things like tax hikes on the rich . . ."
QUOTE "S&M"
The Senate Majority Leader (Harry Ried) will not pass anything. He refused the POTUS call to "Pass This Jobs (and tax) Bill",
calling for a Senate recess after which a "more important" China-as-a-financial-threat issue was to be debated.
" Specific policy solutions come later, but only under the pressure of political mobilization."
QUOTE "S&M"
Mmmm. Yes, "only under the pressure of political mobilization" very interesting, "Silence & Motion"!
Reguards,
J T
QUOTE Silence&Motion
So "S&M", just because TOareaFan is not "up" to your thinking does not give you licence to berate.
What's done, is done, so if I may take my liberty:
CLASS WAR is all about envy. The "foot soldiers" own prime directive is at the least two fold:
"I am entitled to what others have, and I want to have some "fun" while getting it."
I have seen this many times over a period of many years and many occurences.
"Anyway, the movement has already been successful (particularly in the US) in changing the national debate."
QUOTE "S&M"
(Being a very poor typist, I have taken the liberty to shorten your sign-in name to save my time here.)
The "skuttlebutt" from most known feeds is that there is a problem with the "delivery"; no coherent message at this time.
"Does anyone else remember how crazy it was that after financial deregulation sent the global economy into the ground . . ."
QUOTE "S&M"
What "financial deregulation"? The economy was done-in with the start of the subprime morgage "effort", which predated The Tea Party.
"the right-wing tea party movement somehow framed America's biggest problem as being "too much government"? "
QUOTE "S&M"
Certainly, too much government (ever heard the "Nanny State" rant?) and too many taxes supporting too many entitlements.
"After the 2010 elections, even Obama seemed to believe that the American people's top priority was cutting government spending"
QUOTE "S&M"
As James Carville has said "It's The Economy!". This POTUS has never cut spending without wanting more taxes on top. The Bush
tax cuts were already in place; just renew.
"and avoiding any major reforms such as health care that would destabilize the country further."
QUOTE "S&M"
"OBAMACARE" was "Rahmed" through Congress and did add more destaibilization due to the manner of it's execution and time line.
The Dems had to "get-it-done" before they lost The House and their majority beginning January,
"Simply putting income inequality and corporate power on the political map is a huge accomplishment."
QUOTE "S&M"
They have done nothing of the sort. (See above)
"Hopefully the occupy movement can sustain itself long enough to be translated into meaningful reforms."
QUOTE "S&M"
These "Reforms" that you mention; what reforms? (See above.) Are these reforms the ones that were promised by
"Hope & Change", "the most transparent government ever seen", "Draining the swamp"? What Reforms?
"Although the Democrats have not really embraced the movement, . . ."
QUOTE "S&M"
Really? I do suppose then that the more than encouraging words by The POTUS, The VPOTUS, The Senate Majority Leader,
The House Minority Leader, et al, (all Democrats) are not to be taken as holding any meaning? (LOL)
"they do seem emboldened by the current political climate and are pushing for things like tax hikes on the rich . . ."
QUOTE "S&M"
The Senate Majority Leader (Harry Ried) will not pass anything. He refused the POTUS call to "Pass This Jobs (and tax) Bill",
calling for a Senate recess after which a "more important" China-as-a-financial-threat issue was to be debated.
" Specific policy solutions come later, but only under the pressure of political mobilization."
QUOTE "S&M"
Mmmm. Yes, "only under the pressure of political mobilization" very interesting, "Silence & Motion"!
Reguards,
J T
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