Kyle Campbell
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? Browser reload issue? You keep repeatingNot if you can build something on it
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? Browser reload issue? You keep repeatingNot if you can build something on it
Something up with the site as I only posted once. Seen far to many issues with the site since the last change. Even trying to connect to the site or page can be a pain? Browser reload issue? You keep repeating![]()
Yes, but the Ottawa condo market is not big enough to support it, especially when the Lebreton and Bayview properties are still mostly vacant and don't require this additional expense of building a platform underneath. The trench in question is quite long and the Phase 2 extension will require similar handling.Not if you can build something on it
There would be a history by the time this started, and an Ottawa pastime is to compare and contrast what each of the 3 big suburbs (Kanata, Barrhaven and Orleans) gets from City Hall in relation to each other. It wouldn't reach Scarborough levels of complaining, but somebody will definitely whine that Kanata isn't getting what the others are.
There would be a history by the time this started, and an Ottawa pastime is to compare and contrast what each of the 3 big suburbs (Kanata, Barrhaven and Orleans) gets from City Hall in relation to each other. It wouldn't reach Scarborough levels of complaining, but somebody will definitely whine that Kanata isn't getting what the others are.
I think that the design style for the Orleans extension is going to be the template for the Kanata and Barrhaven extensions. They won't see SkyTrain levels of elevation, but they also won't be Transit City style at-grade extensions either. The Orleans extension hits the sweet spot IMO.
I never understand this strange fascination that people have to see Toronto problems in every city's problems.
The Scarborough transfer problem is largely a uniquely Toronto problem. And is caused by the fact that a large number of riders who embark on Line 3 at Scarborough Centre, disembark at Kennedy to get on Line 2. All these riders see Line 3 as unnecessary because the bulk of ridership is direct to Kennedy. They want the subway extended to Kennedy to eliminate the transfer. They want the Line 2 transfer point to move from Kennedy to Scarborough Centre.
In Ottawa, Kanata and Stittsville resident are effectively getting the subway extended, if you will. The transfer point will move from Moodie, to somewhere in Kanata or Stittsville for them. This is the equivalent in terms of desirability, as extending Line 2 to Scarborough Centre.
What would be equivalent to Line 3 in Ottawa? Maintain the Transitway bus routes and forcing transfers from local buses on to them, only to have to then transfer onto the Confederation Line again. Ottawa is not doing this.
People will not care whether the Stage 3 Confederation Line is elevated or at-grade. What they will care is that it is extended to them. Nobody is really going to care about the details or elevation or not because they are getting the desired outcome: a closer transfer point. In Toronto, people care what mode is picked because it very impacts the desired outcome.
Ottawa has shown a remarkable amount of pragmatism with Stage 1. Look at how they adjusted the number of stations in the core, the alignment and even the location of Rideau station to make it all fit the budget. They are showing a lot of the same with Stage 2. Just look at how they overcame public opposition to building on the Byron corridor. No reason to expect this to change with Stage 3, in suburbs where the majority are far less NIMBY oriented.
But, but, but... they are not Bombardier! They're Alstom Citadis Spirit (with no proven North American record). See link.
The trench is quite wide in places, and some of the catenary support poles actually stick up above the trench. It would be quite complicated, and a total pain to try and build on top of a brand new rail line.Just build a deck over it?
Ask TTC how sections of the Yonge line got built over it?? Been done around the world regardless new or old.The trench is quite wide in places, and some of the catenary support poles actually stick up above the trench. It would be quite complicated, and a total pain to try and build on top of a brand new rail line.
Maybe in the future, possibly funded by some kind of developments being built right on top...
Uh oh, you used the "m" word. To head off debate, we should use "fully grade seperated rail based transportation system within an urban environment" ,or fgsrbtswue for short, just rolls of the tongueVideo I made talking about why I think Confederation Line opening is the biggest event since the opening of the SkyTrain in '86 (we're soon to have 4 metro systems)