[wopchop]

I certainly agree w/that, but to tie it back to the PEO conversation, alot of these people seem to have less difficulty getting their credential recognized in the U.S. or Europe or in Asian countries that are not their home country. This does beg the question of whether the bar we are setting on credentials is correct/fair.

If it is; it would seem that many other places are allowing people to practice engineering/medicine/architecture/University Professorships without sufficient evidence of their capability.

What I took from the article you posted is not that it is "easier" in those other places, but there is actual job demand.

A recent Statistics Canada report suggested there are no widespread labour shortages for jobs that require high levels of education as the number of unemployed Canadians with a bachelor’s degree or higher education since 2016 has always exceeded the number of vacant positions that require at least an undergraduate education.

Moving to the USA is also not so straightforward, as you need employer sponsorship. There are also big differences with our system. For example, if you are getting sponsorship, then the employer is responsible for the recognition of credentials and qualifications. They hire private firms that specialize in doing this for them. In this system, the employer is more incentived than ours, who have nothing to do with it at all.

 

[kEiThZ]

Moving to the USA is also not so straightforward, as you need employer sponsorship. There are also big differences with our system. For example, if you are getting sponsorship, then the employer is responsible for the recognition of credentials and qualifications. They hire private firms that specialize in doing this for them. In this system, the employer is more incentived than ours, who have nothing to do with it at all.

Much easier to get that visa with a Canadian passport than an Indian passport. We're becoming the farm team for the US. They'll take the best. We'll keep the rest.

 

[afransen]

And while I complain about this government. I'm fairly sure that a change in government will just change the emphasis from housing ponzi to resource extraction. Our leaders have no clue how to build a high tech, high value economy. And frankly they don't care, because it's beyond their electoral cycle to worry about such things. Even sadder is that most of the electorate is just as clueless, which is why we're getting the politicians we deserve.

This might be excessively doomer-y. Tech is pretty robust in southern Ontario. Toronto is one of the biggest tech employment hubs in NA. The biggest ongoing problem is the amount of venture capital/lack of ecosystem for growing startups.

I agree that the housing bubble is a disaster for our economic competitiveness. I think deflating the bubble, while painful, would be a good thing in the longer term--just politically challenging.

 

[kEiThZ]

This might be excessively doomer-y.

Disagree. I think people say this because:

1) They don't understand how disproportionate tech is. High end gets the most value.

2) It's very hard for Canadians to admit that our current economic strategy is completely wrong.

Tech is pretty robust in southern Ontario.

Something something...past performance is not an indicator of future results.

Toronto is one of the biggest tech employment hubs in NA.

That really isn't saying much. The quality of work done and the resultant value add matters.

The biggest ongoing problem is the amount of venture capital/lack of ecosystem for growing startups.

This is related to this:

I agree that the housing bubble is a disaster for our economic competitiveness.

Screwed up capital allocation added to foreign policy that is slowly reducing our previously privileged access, to the dominant players in many of the technology domains that will form the basis of the 21st century economy, is going to have an economic impact.

Think of the implications of a leading Canadian company like D-Wave. They get major contracts from the US for all their Quantum Computing platforms. Now imagine the US says, "No development contracts unless you are in an AUKUS partner nation." What do you think their management will do? You think they'll still domicile and do R&D in Canada? Now imagine that in the context of being unable to raise sufficient capital in Canada. And keep in mind, no amount of trade negotiation will bypass national security considerations.

Quantum computing star D-Wave faces cash crunch, investors say

Investors, government have provided hundreds of millions of dollars to Burnaby company since 1999

www.theglobeandmail.com

People can call me a doomer all they want. But when I see the proportion of our best and brightest who are making exit plans growing by the day, it doesn't leave me very optimistic. Especially when I think a lot of our political class (regardless of team jersey) is just outright ignorant to these issues or don't care.

 

[wopchop]

Much easier to get that visa with a Canadian passport than an Indian passport. We're becoming the farm team for the US. They'll take the best. We'll keep the rest.

Yes, plenty of people do this too.
It would be interesting to see published numbers on how many people actually do it.

 

[Videodrome]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/russell-brown-supreme-court-justice-resigns-1.6873402

Looks like the PM will be appointing a new justice.

 

[Northern Light]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/russell-brown-supreme-court-justice-resigns-1.6873402

Looks like the PM will be appointing a new justice.

One of the weirder exits from SCOC you will ever see, I imagine.

So a new appt will be due from Western Canada.

Will be interesting to see who will be under consideration.

 

[lenaitch]

He must have skipped the decorum class in Judge School.

 

[DSC]

Richard, your posts are tiresome. You complain about Canada constantly and how others have it better elsewhere, and how you might leave, etc, etc. But will you actually do us a solid and go?

Empty words. There is no try, either do or do not.

The simplest way not to be exposed to his (unfilled) plans and often incorrect statements is to IGNORE him. He is on my (very short) ignore list and and I recommend it.

 

[AlvinofDiaspar]

He must have skipped the decorum class in Judge School.

At least a) he is investigated and b) he has enough shame to resign; compare and contrast to Clarence Thomas south of the border, where shame seems to be sold out at Walmart.

AoD

 

[afransen]

The simplest way not to be exposed to his (unfilled) plans and often incorrect statements is to IGNORE him. He is on my (very short) ignore list and and I recommend it.

I can understand where Richard is coming from. On the one hand, I think it is entirely possible for him to make some changes and get a better life in Canada, on the other hand, I will admit to having blinders on by being in the top x% of incomes, and realistically not everyone can achieve that. If I were a relatively lower earner, I would probably not choose to live in the high housing cost cities in Canada. Ottawa and Montreal are more affordable options while still offering some/a lot of urban character, if that is important. I would also be quite happy living in KW, if my employment were not in the GTA and I detested highway commutes.

 

[Admiral Beez]

Do you really think I give a s*** what you think?

Well, you’re replying to him… so yes? One of our greatest powers is to let those we disdain have the last word. They mistakenly feel they’ve won some sort of debate when in reality their utterances have become meaningless, like a cow staring at us over the fence chewing its cud.

This country has its flaws, which seem to be getting worse. When I look back on the Canada I grew up in the mid 1970s to early 1990s I can say IMO things were so much better, with affordable housing, far fewer insane and addicted people living on our streets, no SJWs that I can recall, etc. I appreciate that as a straight, middle class employed, homeowning, 25-years married, 52 y/o white guy of sound body and mind, born in Britain that my perspective of the good old days would be different; but nowadays everyone seems to have some anxiety disorder, we’re stuck in woke culture wars, housing is unaffordable, jobs are precarious, and despite a culture where everyone’s specialness or whatnot identify is being publicly embraced, no one seems to be happy. But nowhere is ideal, and to me Canada has more pluses than minuses.

 

[afransen]

I think the problem is that the sincere efforts to extend civil liberties and social acceptance of marginalized groups (religious, racial, ethnic, gender, ability, sexual minorities) are somewhat hindered by performative 'SJW'/virtue signaling activism triggering reactionary sentiments among conservatives. Going a bit too far on trans ideology is giving fuel to the fire of reactionary tendencies. Acceptance of trans individuals is being set back by reaching for extreme positions that are difficult to defend (claiming that there is absolutely no difference between biological women and trans women).

I think a good example of that is the term Latinx commonly used in the US (in progressive/virtue signaling circles) despite being an abomination on the Spanish language. Essentially something that is being imposed on spanish speakers by rich white anglophone liberals, and not by gender-diverse hispanic people.

 

[jje1000]

I would also caution that it's not at all certain Europe will keep having it better indefinitely. Having the US provide substantially for their security freed up a lot of resources for social spending. Now that the US is pivoting to Asia and they have to provide for themselves, while not getting cheap resources from Russia, they might have to take hits to quality of life.

That said, if you know the local language and have solid employable skills, it could be better than working for $80k in Canada to pay $700k for a one bedroom condo in Toronto.

Personally I think that the trajectory for Europe is somewhat unfavourable, as the US pulls its vassals inwards during this era of entrenchment against China and Russia, and at the core of it lies the long death of German manufacturing (pushed along post-Nordstream), which has long underpinned the EU economy.

The Deindustrialization of Germany Will Cripple the EU for a Long Time

Germany has two major problems, an aging workforce and deindustrialization. Both will impact the EU for a long time. Germany outlook from IMF via Bloomberg discussion below. Adam Taggart, Foun…

mishtalk.com

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-06-12/germany-warns-of-industry-shutdown-if-russian-gas-stops-flowingll

 

[kEiThZ]

Personally I think that the trajectory for Europe is somewhat unfavourable, as the US pulls its vassals inwards during this era of entrenchment against China and Russia, and at the core of it lies the long death of German manufacturing (pushed along post-Nordstream), which has long underpinned the EU economy

Zero sympathies. Building an economy on cheap Russian gas while ignoring all the concerns of Eastern Europeans and then doubling down on stupid with scientifically ignorant (or maybe motivated by Russian bribes) decisions to shutter a lot of German nuclear power (while buying nuclear generated power from France next door) has really earned them their fate.

Germany has a highly skilled workforce and a decent industrial base though. It may be a painful transition, but they'll figure it out.