picard102
Senior Member
So business as usual. Just theater to try and distance themselves from the Liberals. Can't imagine they actually believe they are in a position to beat PP, and would force an election.
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Richard White
Senior Member
Jagmeet needs to s*** or get off the pot.
Either he supports the Liberals or he does not but he cannot have it both ways. I think you will see pressure for him to pull the trigger on an election and put his money where his mouth is.
If he sits on the fence, it will anger alot of people both within the party and outside of it. I can see it being his downfall.
During the Labour Day Parade I was talking with Faisal Hassan (Former York South Weston MPP) and others. There was no forewarning of this among the NDP staffers and former MPPs attending.
One interesting bit that Faisal and myself talked about was Jagmeets ability to have large numbers of supporters at his rallies but that most of them are people who cannot legally vote in Canada.
As a lifelong NDP'r with insight into the party, I don't see this ending well for the Federal NDP. They backed themselves into a corner with this move and have to tank the LPC or risk being branded as unreliable.
The problem is, if they do force an election they will not win it and cause themselves to be decimated. Idiots.
christiesplits
Senior Member
I wouldn't bet on an election before the Christmas holidays, but could definitely see one this spring.
Northern Light
Superstar
Sure he can. He can provide support on a case by case, bill by bill basis, that's perfectly legal and practical; though it will be an irritant for the Trudeau Libs on some items.
I don't think people are overly clamoring for an early federal election. The Trudeau Libs are broadly unpopular, but a proper parsing of polling data will show that the PCs and the NDP and their respective leaders are not having a love affair w/the broader populace either.
They agreed to a deal to back the government for so long as it agreed to support certain pieces of legislation/policy. For the most part, the partial commitments made by the Liberals have been honoured, but there isn't much that's outstanding for them to deliver, that they were willing/able to agree to.
The NDP had only two practical choices here, one was to continue to be linked to an unpopular incumbent government, for seemingly little gain, or to try to leverage whatever capital continuing w/the agreement gives them, a fresh set of demands.
On the latter, I suspect the Libs would largely say 'no' to most demands.........leaving the NDP looking weak and ineffective. In the alternative, if the Libs did agree to some additional social investments or the like, the Libs would likely get the credit.
I don't really see anything wrong with the NDP move here, and I see very little upside for them in the status quo.
The NDP faces serious electoral headwinds whatever they do. I'm not sure that this action can be seen to increase these any.
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ImmenselyMental
Active Member
When I received the headlines just now, it was shocking but understandable to me.
It may be like the provincial level, where Doug Ford's PCs easily won in 2018 thanks to how unpopular Kathleen Wynne's Liberals were. Could we be seeing this at the federal level? A bit too likely for me.
I think this would explain why:
Many Canadian voters see elections as a choice between the Conservative and Liberal parties, as they have been the only two parties to govern this country. There is no denying the current government is unpopular, but it seems to be more of a Trudeau thing than a Liberal Party thing.
It may be like the provincial level, where Doug Ford's PCs easily won in 2018 thanks to how unpopular Kathleen Wynne's Liberals were. Could we be seeing this at the federal level? A bit too likely for me.
evandyk
Senior Member
It's perfectly legitimate for Singh to say "A Trudeau government that depends on NDP support is better right now than the alternative, which is a Pierre Poilievre government. So we'll help them pass the goals that are important to us, and we've outlined some red lines that would cause the government to fall."
It was silly for Singh to be out on Twitter lambasting the government as horrible for working Canadians... while in an explicit deal to support that government.
It was silly for Singh to be out on Twitter lambasting the government as horrible for working Canadians... while in an explicit deal to support that government.
afransen
Senior Member
Playing into PP's hand.
Admiral Beez
Superstar
No way Singh is pulling the trigger until his pension in vested in Feb 2025. After that he doesn’t GAF what Canadians think of him.
picard102
Senior Member
Did he tell you that?
gabe
Senior Member
Mass immigration is creating major blowback all across Europe. Germany just elected a far right anti-immigration party. Gen Z is overwhelmingly voting for “the far right” in Germany. I wouldn't be surprised to see that happen here in the near future.
Germany’s AfD becomes first far-right party to win state election in country’s postwar history
It’s unlikely Alternative for Germany will be able to form government in Thuringia, despite winning the most seats, as other parties have vowed not to work with it
www.theglobeandmail.com
Towered
Superstar
Considering that's only 5 months from now, could we really blame him for staying the course until then to ensure that pension money isn't left on the table? If any of us were in his shoes we'd do the same.
afransen
Senior Member
The anti-immigration sentiment is quite different in Europe vs Canada. In Canada it is mostly a pragmatic concern around our ability to house, employ and provide services to all the newcomers at the rate we have been accepting them, whereas in Europe it is a concern around loss of cultural identity/ethnonationalism.
Admiral Beez
Superstar
Maybe Trudeau will vindictively call an election two weeks before Singh’s pension date. Take that.
christiesplits
Senior Member
The Liberal Party's national campaign director has resigned after saying he thinks Trudeau won't win. Not a very good sign for the party's prospects.
www.thestar.com
Liberals’ national campaign director tells Justin Trudeau he is quitting
Jeremy Broadhurst privately told Trudeau last month he is leaving, according to several Liberal sources.
www.thestar.com
Admiral Beez
Superstar
So, Trudeau wants us all to drive EVs by 2035, or eleven years, but cuts off the source of affordable EVs.
And what about Telsa, where many of those sold in Canada come from their Chinese factory?