[zang]

The Charter wouldn't have passed without it - and I don't buy that the government couldn't imagine it being used - people would use what exist, or else it wouldn't be there.

AoD

I don't really think that it wouldn't have passed without it. I mean, we were a cohesive country prior to the 1980s, and some provinces were willing to toss that all away if we didn't give them the ability to trample the rights outlines in it? In retrospect it seems more like provinces just wanted to eke out as much power as they could. That it hasn't been the political suicide that PET and others likely thought it could be doesn't mean anyone had the prescience to think people would try; and especially for the wholly frivolous reasons it's already been used for, too.

 

[zang]

Considering that the religious garb in question is the literal physical embodiment of women's oppression by the religion that forces it upon them - a symbol of patriarchy, coercion and restriction that women in that religion have to deal with on a daily basis - I wouldn't publicly touch Bill 21 with a ten foot pole. Whichever side of the argument you fall on with that bill, you will catch a ton of flack.

Many wear hijab and niqab willingly, and many left oppressive nations so as to have a choice to wear it of their own volition.

Married Orthodox Jewish women are expected to wear headscarves as well, but Quebec wouldn't dare touch that community with the NWC.

 

[AlvinofDiaspar]

I don't really think that it wouldn't have passed without it. I mean, we were a cohesive country prior to the 1980s, and some provinces were willing to toss that all away if we didn't give them the ability to trample the rights outlines in it? In retrospect it seems more like provinces just wanted to eke out as much power as they could. That it hasn't been the political suicide that PET and others likely thought it could be doesn't mean anyone had the prescience to think people would try; and especially for the wholly frivolous reasons it's already been used for, too.

Of course the provinces were always willing to toss that all away - what they are doing now is nothing new. PET didn't want the clause either but politics is the art of the possible.

AoD

 

[Full Metal Junkie]

Many wear hijab and niqab willingly

For some reason "Stockholm syndrome" comes to mind. But I'm not about to sit here and defend Bill 21 either. As you point out, it is aimed at one religion in particular and something tells me that women's rights is not the real reason why it was passed.

 

[Jonny5]

CBC says we have another floor crosser:

"Ontario MP Michael Ma says he's joining Liberal caucus"

He's the MP for Markham-Unionville

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mp-crosses-floor-to-liberals-9.7012767

 

[Richard White]

CBC says we have another floor crosser:

"Ontario MP Michael Ma says he's joining Liberal caucus"

He's the MP for Markham-Unionville

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/mp-crosses-floor-to-liberals-9.7012767

With an even 171-171 split I wonder who will cross the floor next.

The bigger question is, if another conservative MP crosses the floor, will Pollievre remain as leader?

 

[Full Metal Junkie]

if another conservative MP crosses the floor, will Pollievre remain as leader?

Of course he will. The man has no shame.

 

[afransen]

With an even 171-171 split I wonder who will cross the floor next.

The bigger question is, if another conservative MP crosses the floor, will Pollievre remain as leader?

I imagine all the stops will come out to get over the line. Carney really needs a majority to be able to make tough policy decisions. Surely there are a few red Tories that would cross for the good of the country.

 

[afransen]

Of course he will. The man has no shame.

His caucus can turf him thanks the the Reform Act (thanks Michael Chong).

 

[UtakataNoAnnex]

Quebec’s Bill 21 is very popular with Quebecers. To Quebec’s government, it’s not considered an unreasonable imposition to leave your religious garb at home when you’re working in the public sector. You can still believe in, and privately observe whatever version of sky cake you want. I can’t see Quebec backing down at all.

The thing is about civil liberties that it should not be based on popularity. Rights are given to individuals based on being humans first not on someone else's opinions. So the Quebec government is being entirely irresponsible and reckless (along with being Islamophobic) here by pushing this...as now they basing their policies on mob rule.

Considering that the religious garb in question is the literal physical embodiment of women's oppression by the religion that forces it upon them - a symbol of patriarchy, coercion and restriction that women in that religion have to deal with on a daily basis - I wouldn't publicly touch Bill 21 with a ten foot pole. Whichever side of the argument you fall on with that bill, you will catch a ton of flack.

That's for them to decide that and not government.

 

[Admiral Beez]

Of course he will. The man has no shame.

There's no one to replace PP as CPC leader. And besides, with Carney governing solidly from the centre, including cozying up with the likes of Danielle Smith and the pipeline boosters, while pushing justice and immigration reform, there's really no where for a new CPC leader to take the party that's not hard right Maple Maga, which might as well stick with PP in the hopes that Carney fails to save Canada in the upcoming CUSMA talks.

 

[Mihairokov]

Quebec’s Bill 21 is very popular with Quebecers.

Just because something is popular doesn't make it morally right. In Quebec's case it's clearly designed to target a specific subgroup.

CBC says we have another floor crosser:

"Ontario MP Michael Ma says he's joining Liberal caucus"

He's the MP for Markham-Unionville

As entertaining as it is to see the CPC house of cards collapse from within I can't help but be a little cautious of the current LPC government bolstering its ranks with people who were at one point presumably fine with how Poilievre and the CPC did and do politics. I'm sure they'll find a final floor-crosser for their majority - that seems more certain now than at this time yesterday.

I think Poilievre will do everything in his power to stay on - what else would he do with his time? - but this is a real moment to understand that we no longer have any sort of left-leaning representation in government. Carney is running what I would best describe as a PC government and the CPC flounders further to the right. It's an opportunity for the NDP or someone else to carry a leftist flag on the Hill and champion policies that Carney's government won't be touching.

There's no one to replace PP as CPC leader.

By design.