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old boy
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Yes, he has learned one great lesson....he keeps his mouth shut. His one big idea.
Jasmine18
Senior Member
Issue is you let your anger at ford blind you the fact...
Who the hell is FDR in the Ontario liberal party...I doubt anyone even knows who the leader of the Liberals even is.
I think the Pandemic has sort of won over the 905 to him and I dont see the NDP or liberals beating him here much.
Jasmine18
Senior Member
Well actually if you want Ford to lose it makes it harder as he appeals to a wider electorate then...
He stays in the middle track I would say he is unbeatable in the 905... but he goes back to his old ways then i think he is in big trouble.
tiffer24
Senior Member
So in 2022, Ford runs as a deficit hawk "efficiencies" conservative, like last time? He's added more to the debt and deficit in 2020 than any other premier in history. He painted himself into a corner... let's see if he finds a way out.
Jasmine18
Senior Member
I dont think anyone blames him for that...
Like Harper never got attacked by Conservatives for adding debt due to the recession.
The Average person is not as partisan as people on this board.
As i said I dont know what Ford will be in 2022... We have no idea how long Corona will affect us... All i Know he has 100% has a 2nd chance with the voters in Ontario and its up to him now.
Northern Light
Superstar
But he may want to keep the odd populist one.
Buck-a-beer was daft, if marginally popular.
But I suspect people like having the LCBO (pre-covid) open til 8pm on a Sunday and now like being able to order booze w/their restaurant delivery.
There is/was much madness in Ford, in his campaign, and his first 1/3 of his term in government.
But once in a while there was a method to the madness (not often enough)
I can't yet imagine voting for Ford or the PCs for a subsequent term; but if they were to get close it would be hitting that thread of the best Progressive, Conservative regimes; a mix of bold, progressive policy, big-tent, open-minded conservatism, that had a healthy pragmatic streak running through it; and a competent managerial side.
Let's be honest, neither Ford, nor his team exude those qualities even now; they just aren't running face-first through a wall against them as they were.
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Northern Light
Superstar
Absolutely crucial that this be made permanent; and that minimum wage be increased to at least $16 per hour this fall; and to $17 or more next year.
Midtown Urbanist
Superstar
The world isn't black and white. It is possible for Doug Ford to be a terrible Premier and to handle this current crisis well. I don't think that is giving him a free pass.
Heck, he has been consistently saying the right things in his own folksy populist style to the people who needed to hear it most.
globalnews.ca
Just objectively speaking, he is actually being a leader during this crisis. He has allowed himself to take a backseat back and listen to the experts (which many populist leaders around the world are proving incapable of doing), and speaking out (and responding with policy) whenever a threat to Ontario's efforts to counter the virus are shown. See the below:
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“When you sit back and you think of your allies and the wars we’ve gone through, and we’ve stood shoulder to shoulder fighting the same enemies. And now we have an enemy and we’re at war and they want to shut things down with their closest ally in the world?”
“When the cards are down, you see who your friends are, and I think it’s been very clear over the last couple of days who our friends are. You know who our friends are? Every Canadian, look in the mirror, that’s who are our friends are right now.”
Those two quotes are surprisingly from Doug Ford, not from Pierre Elliot Trudeau.
His biggest test will come after this pandemic, when the economy is in shambles. As others have noted, some war-time leaders like Churchill proved to be unpopular leaders in peacetime. Not that Doug Ford should be compared to Churchill in any capacity, but I anticipate a similar trajectory.
Heck, he has been consistently saying the right things in his own folksy populist style to the people who needed to hear it most.
‘Bunch of yahoos’: Doug Ford blasts Toronto protest against coronavirus-related restrictions | Globalnews.ca
"It's reckless to do what they're doing and personally I think it's selfish," Premier Doug Ford said.
globalnews.ca
Just objectively speaking, he is actually being a leader during this crisis. He has allowed himself to take a backseat back and listen to the experts (which many populist leaders around the world are proving incapable of doing), and speaking out (and responding with policy) whenever a threat to Ontario's efforts to counter the virus are shown. See the below:
Ford blasts Trump protectionism: ‘When the cards are down, you see who your friends are’
Blasting U.S. President Donald Trump for slapping an embargo on the shipment of crucial pandemic supplies to Canada, Premier Doug Ford says Americans should remember “united we stand, divided we...
“When you sit back and you think of your allies and the wars we’ve gone through, and we’ve stood shoulder to shoulder fighting the same enemies. And now we have an enemy and we’re at war and they want to shut things down with their closest ally in the world?”
“When the cards are down, you see who your friends are, and I think it’s been very clear over the last couple of days who our friends are. You know who our friends are? Every Canadian, look in the mirror, that’s who are our friends are right now.”
Those two quotes are surprisingly from Doug Ford, not from Pierre Elliot Trudeau.
His biggest test will come after this pandemic, when the economy is in shambles. As others have noted, some war-time leaders like Churchill proved to be unpopular leaders in peacetime. Not that Doug Ford should be compared to Churchill in any capacity, but I anticipate a similar trajectory.
zang
Senior Member
Harper not being attacked by Conservatives is not the same as Ford not being attacked by the swing voters who put him into power. Ford won over a lot of liberal voters and first timers last time. There's no guarantee that will happen again.
Jasmine18
Senior Member
Jasmine18
Senior Member
The world isn't black and white. It is possible for Doug Ford to be a terrible Premier and to handle this current crisis well. I don't think that is giving him a free pass.
Heck, he has been consistently saying the right things in his own folksy populist style to the people who needed to hear it most.
‘Bunch of yahoos’: Doug Ford blasts Toronto protest against coronavirus-related restrictions | Globalnews.ca
"It's reckless to do what they're doing and personally I think it's selfish," Premier Doug Ford said.
Just objectively speaking, he is actually being a leader during this crisis. He has allowed himself to take a backseat back and listen to the experts (which many populist leaders around the world are proving incapable of doing), and speaking out (and responding with policy) whenever a threat to Ontario's efforts to counter the virus are shown. See the below:
Ford blasts Trump protectionism: ‘When the cards are down, you see who your friends are’
Blasting U.S. President Donald Trump for slapping an embargo on the shipment of crucial pandemic supplies to Canada, Premier Doug Ford says Americans should remember “united we stand, divided we...
“When you sit back and you think of your allies and the wars we’ve gone through, and we’ve stood shoulder to shoulder fighting the same enemies. And now we have an enemy and we’re at war and they want to shut things down with their closest ally in the world?”
“When the cards are down, you see who your friends are, and I think it’s been very clear over the last couple of days who our friends are. You know who our friends are? Every Canadian, look in the mirror, that’s who are our friends are right now.”
Those two quotes are surprisingly from Doug Ford, not from Pierre Elliot Trudeau.
His biggest test will come after this pandemic, when the economy is in shambles. As others have noted, some war-time leaders like Churchill proved to be unpopular leaders in peacetime. Not that Doug Ford should be compared to Churchill in any capacity, but I anticipate a similar trajectory.
So Ford will storm back to office after a very high effective left wing govt somehow becomes unpopular ? (atlee lol
SunriseChampion
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Videodrome
Senior Member
It is rather amusing to see Ford Nation and PC supporters turn on Doug because he won't reopen.
Jasmine18
Senior Member
It is not all of them
There are polls show that majority of Republicans in USA support lockdown measures.