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tiffer24 said:
Ontario family furious over $400 a day hospital fine for not not moving to a LTC home.
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Presumably the patient and their eventual estate are being charged $400/day, not their relatives. Anyway, hospitals are not LTC facilities. If my dog is sick I take him to the veterinary hospital where my pet insurance will cover the cost of care. But if he can't be cured, I can't just leave him there forever on my insurer's dime because it makes my life easier. Hospital beds are needed for people who are transitionally or temporarily in critical condition, where we triage, diagnose, treat and discharge.

So, you have a choice go to LTC, go home and if necessary rely on others, or MAID. I believe there's an existence after this one, so I don't need to linger in a LTC facility in pain and incoherent, lying in my own excrement while I wait for the Reaper; and would be choosing the latter. I watched my father in the palliative facility, drugged up against the pain, delusional, waiting to expire; and I said to myself, that will not be me. So, if dementia or disability are deemed terminal, I will not rag the puck.
 
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Admiral Beez said:
Presumably the patient and their eventual estate are being charged $400/day, not their relatives. Anyway, hospitals are not LTC facilities. If my dog is sick I take him to the veterinary hospital where my pet insurance will cover the cost of care. But if he can't be cured, I can't just leave him there forever on my insurer's dime because it makes my life easier. Hospital beds are needed for people who are transitionally or temporarily in critical condition, where we triage, diagnose, treat and discharge.

So, you have a choice go to LTC, go home and if necessary rely on others, or MAID. I believe there's an existence after this one, so I don't need to linger in a LTC facility in pain and incoherent, lying in my own excrement while I wait for the Reaper; and would be choosing the latter. I watched my father in the palliative facility, drugged up against the pain, delusional, waiting to expire; and I said to myself, that will not be me. So, if dementia or disability are deemed terminal, I will not rag the puck.
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Of course, people who do not need full hospital care should be in a rehab home or LTC - apart from cost, these places are really FAR better and more pleasant places to be and staff there should have the required expertise but there are cases where the only places suggested are MILES away or have VERY poor performance reviews. There are also 'specialised' LTC homes for those from specific language groups, they may be great but putting a confused person who only speaks English into an LTC where 99% of the people and staff speak Italian would be 'unkind' (though it happens). There may also be cases where a partner could not visit due to distance if the suggested home were accepted. Unfortunately, it is NOT as black and white as you seem to think.
 
No wonder people compare healthcare in Ontario to sending your pet to the vet.

TORONTO - Ontario Health Minister Sylvia Jones and her ministry are refusing to divulge the amount of money that seven patients in the province have been fined for refusing transfers from a hospital to a long-term care home not of their choosing.
A law enacted in 2022, known as Bill 7, requires hospitals to levy fines of $400 a day on patients who can be discharged but need long-term care and are refusing to go to a home selected for them by a placement co-ordinator.

The government has long said it was not aware of anyone being fined, but a spokesperson for Jones said last week that they just learned that seven people have been fined, as Ontario Health had not been relaying that information.

Since then, daily requests to the ministry by The Canadian Press for the total charges those seven people face have been ignored.


https://www.cp24.com/news/ontario-w...ng-transfers-to-long-term-care-home-1.6843215
 
Admiral Beez said:
When it comes to end of life care, our pets have us humans beat. No dragging out the suffering.
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Responsible pet owners will never let their pet suffer unnecessarily, sometimes we are much kinder to our pets than we are to humans, who often are left to suffer because some people say it’s gods will.
 
Admiral Beez said:
When it comes to end of life care, our pets have us humans beat. No dragging out the suffering.
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We do have MAID now for the absolute end, but for the most part we treat both seniors and the disabled terribly up until that point.
 
So we'll have 3 huge battery plants in the near future in Ontario - are there other places with such a concentration?
 
Towered said:
So we'll have 3 huge battery plants in the near future in Ontario - are there other places with such a concentration?
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China for sure, I'm not sure how geographically concentrated they are there (ie. all one province)
 
Towered said:
So we'll have 3 huge battery plants in the near future in Ontario - are there other places with such a concentration?
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Looks like Canada and Ontario are going to benefit big from Biden's Build America, Buy America initiative.

www.consumerreports.org

Electric Cars and Plug-In Hybrids That Qualify for Federal Tax Credits - Consumer Reports

These 2024 EVs and PHEVs qualify for federal tax credits of up to $7,500 under the Inflation Reduction Act. The Trump administration may change or repeal the credit.
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"To qualify for the first $3,750, a portion of a vehicle’s battery components must be produced or assembled in North America. To get the second $3,750, a portion of the critical minerals used in the battery must be extracted or processed in the U.S. or in a country that is a U.S. free-trade agreement partner, or they must have been made from materials recycled in North America. These percentages go up every year starting in 2024, which is also when vehicles with components from countries that have been designated “foreign entities of concern” are no longer eligible for a tax credit."
 
At least two of those are going to be built in Alliston. They're really going to have to build a Cookstown bypass. Hwy 89 is pretty brutal now as it is.
 
Northern Light said:
China for sure, I'm not sure how geographically concentrated they are there (ie. all one province)
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If they keep rocking the boat the Chinese are going to get blocked from the North American and EU markets for EVs, batteries and minerals/components. Their domestic market and economy is a ponzi scheme, and Africa and LATAM can only buy so much.
 
Admiral Beez said:
If they keep rocking the boat the Chinese are going to get blocked from the North American and EU markets for EVs, batteries and minerals/components. Their domestic market and economy is a ponzi scheme, and Africa and LATAM can only buy so much.
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Their domestic market is already the largest car market in the world.
 
afransen said:
Their domestic market is already the largest car market in the world.
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For Chinese makes, certainly. But they’re increasingly not buying imported vehicles, while stealing tech from any foreign firms like Tesla that set up shop in China, and thus their market is increasingly less relevant to the rest of us.
 
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