JJTheJetPln
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I was just watching CP24 while following up with the Mississauga byelection - Chow confirmed to CP24 that construction on the Gardiner Expressway is now 24/7. We'll see what that brings.
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I barely travel to Toronto unless it's on the GO Train, so does it look like they've done a lot of work since switching to 24/7? Does it look like they've switched to 24/7 from your POV?June 13th update. They've made quite a big of progress in the last 24 hours. Most of the West section above the GO passageway has been removed (sans the steel supports), as well as the second section above the Streetcar loop area. Stay tuned for for bonus shots tomorrow
I saw her on 680's tiktok.I was just watching CP24 while following up with the Mississauga byelection - Chow confirmed to CP24 that construction on the Gardiner Expressway is now 24/7. We'll see what that brings.
They make it sound like the Gardiner will solve congestion. Relatively people actually use the Gardiner compared to transit to get downtown at peak.I saw her on 680's tiktok.
she says that they will have an updated timeline in 2 months.
Won't say how shortened the project is
They have the contractor, the province all asking how to speed it up
comparing that places in other countries can get it done much quicker
I barely travel to Toronto unless it's on the GO Train, so does it look like they've done a lot of work since switching to 24/7? Does it look like they've switched to 24/7 from your POV?
I took some screenshots of Toronto traffic during the complete shutdown of the Gardiner following that major accident at York on June 12. Remember the accident happened around 2pm (before rush hour).They make it sound like the Gardiner will solve congestion. Relatively people actually use the Gardiner compared to transit to get downtown at peak.
What you're leaving out is that every driver is out driving because they think the Gardiner will be operational. If it was torn down, there will be many people deciding it's not worth it to drive and hence, less congestion. Maybe not less than if the Gardiner was running, but certainly much less than the screen shots you've taken.I took some screenshots of Toronto traffic during the complete shutdown of the Gardiner following that major accident at York on June 12. Remember the accident happened around 2pm (before rush hour).
It was literally impossible to navigate almost anywhere in a 5km radius of the Gardiner or the DVP from the moment that happened. I was in the Don Mills/Eglinton area trying to get to Union station and the traffic was horrid literally everywhere.
Photo #1: As we can see with the North-South routes: University, Yonge, and Jarvis were clogged. Not shown here but Bay St was a clogged mess as well.
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Photo #2: Shows the extent of the Gardiner closure. The DVP was clogged through the 404-401 interchange and Bayview, Broadview and Bloor took all of the overflow to which they couldnt handle.
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Photo #3: Pretty self-explanatory. The DVP was a clogged mess.
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Photo #4: Don Mills was a mess, Eglinton was a mess, Millwood was a disaster, Donlands was a joke
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Photo #5: Zooming back out we can see the fuller effects. Yonge, University, Jarvis, Dundas, Bloor, Queen, Richmond, Adelaide, Queens Quay, Lakeshore were all clogged to MAX capacity. This also means that all surface routes that run on the streets were jammed and were delayed to points where the TTC couldnt operate on any kind of a schedule. I didnt even take a picture of the 401 but we already know what that was like.
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So in short, let's remember this and frame these pictures for anytime there's the thought of tearing down the Gardiner. The city simply is not ready to handle the effects of that and until we have a transit network that's robust enough, it will not be ready anytime soon.
Most definitely this is true, there would be people who would shift their mode of transit but to a certain extent.What you're leaving out is that every driver is out driving because they think the Gardiner will be operational. If it was torn down, there will be many people deciding it's not worth it to drive and hence, less congestion. Maybe not less than if the Gardiner was running, but certainly much less than the screen shots you've taken.
I took some screenshots of Toronto traffic during the complete shutdown of the Gardiner following that major accident at York on June 12. Remember the accident happened around 2pm (before rush hour).
It was literally impossible to navigate almost anywhere in a 5km radius of the Gardiner or the DVP from the moment that happened. I was in the Don Mills/Eglinton area trying to get to Union station and the traffic was horrid literally everywhere.
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So in short, let's remember this and frame these pictures for anytime there's the thought of tearing down the Gardiner. The city simply is not ready to handle the effects of that and until we have a transit network that's robust enough, it will not be ready anytime soon.
I don't disagree with this, but at the same time, I feel that there's a "minimum viable freeway" point (that is acceptable in our current society) and we're at that point. There's no such parallel for the DVP, but I think that looking at the surface routes, especially Lake Shore west of York, would probably produce similar results. The USRC sometimes feels like a bigger barrier walking down Yonge.What you're leaving out is that every driver is out driving because they think the Gardiner will be operational. If it was torn down, there will be many people deciding it's not worth it to drive and hence, less congestion. Maybe not less than if the Gardiner was running, but certainly much less than the screen shots you've taken.
I saw her on 680's tiktok.
she says that they will have an updated timeline in 2 months.
Won't say how shortened the project is
They have the contractor, the province all asking how to speed it up
comparing that places in other countries can get it done much quicker
So I think this really shows the difference between the eglinton p3 contract and pretty much any other government contract.Imagine we had this kind of call to action and commitment to get the Eglinton line or the ontario line done quicker, an all hands on deck type of situation. Shows pretty clearly what is the actual priority here.
It is a good point. One that i dont think is talked about enough.I don't disagree with this, but at the same time, I feel that there's a "minimum viable freeway" point (that is acceptable in our current society) and we're at that point. There's no such parallel for the DVP, but I think that looking at the surface routes, especially Lake Shore west of York, would probably produce similar results. The USRC sometimes feels like a bigger barrier walking down Yonge.
Maybe the "minimum viable freeway" case will change in 10 years with GO expansion, but I doubt it. We'll know then.