Rainforest
Senior Member
If Ford is smart which not the case, he will vote for the Hybrid.
He may be obnoxious but he is not stupid.
It does not really matter for him what happens to Gardiner. But he found the reason to remind about himself.
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If Ford is smart which not the case, he will vote for the Hybrid.
He may be obnoxious but he is not stupid.
It does not really matter for him what happens to Gardiner. But he found the reason to remind about himself.
What a stupid argument:
1. The subway carries 15x more people during the morning rush than the Gardiner East does
2. We don't build infrastructure for once a year shutdowns
No need to be so rude!
What a stupid argument:
1. The subway carries 15x more people during the morning rush than the Gardiner East does
2. We don't build infrastructure for once a year shutdowns
Also totally unfounded. Looking out my window at 8:35 am; Gardiner EB moving well, not nearly at capacity; Gardiner WB slow but moving. This on a day with horrible weather where there are often accidents and weather-related slowdowns. Add to that the subway not working for a while which could have caused some people to drive that wouldn't normally. And yet, it's not traffic chaos. Imagine that. But yeah, let's keep the Gardiner up just in case.
So, not chaos = overcapacity? Sad that Toronto has to come this point where we expect (nay, encourage) a state of constant gridlock on our roads. How about investing in more transit instead? Still waiting for shovels in the ground for the DRL...
Quit putting words in people's mouths. No one is saying we want constant gridlock. No one is even saying the removal option will lead to gridlock (Except for people like you who are simply not looking at the facts and allowing emotion to guide their opinion).
We're simply saying there is more than enough capacity to handle the little traffic that uses the Eastern Gardiner today. The facts show a negligible increase in commute times from most of the city (likely due to the traffic lights and slower speed limit). None of the facts say that a widened lakeshore with a non existent Gardiner would be over or at capacity.
PinkLucy literally said "Gardiner WB slow but moving" and "and yet, it's not traffic chaos" implying that we don't need the current level of capacity that the Gardiner provides because it's not "traffic chaos". I am not putting words in anyone's mouth here.
Newsflash, It was slow everywhere this morning. That has nothing to do with traffic volume. The Gardiner could've been empty and it would still be slow today. It's called driving according to the weather conditions. That's not chaos... its proper driving.
And don't even try saying I don't care about the people who will be affected. I am one of them. I use the Eastern Gardiner and South DVP on a daily basis. It will barely have any effect at all based on my own day to day observations of how the Eastern Gardiner operates today.
If adding more highway capacity is your "simple" answer to gridlock, then why are we not building more expressways? Because the Robert Moses high concept of city-building is long dead. The 1950's world of endless parking lots, super-highways and drive-thru dead zones is long past. There are not just endless studies to prove this, but actual 21st century city-building experiences.
And you're right, no one really cares about your extra 10 minute commute--why would they? Is it really in our best interest to save your time at our expense?