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Mods can we get this thread title updated? This hasn't been planned to run from Guelph for probably 5 years now.
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In fairness, the crosstown is the first new transit line since the Sheppard line opened. thats 19 years and counting. Before tolling starts, it takes massive capitol investments to build these things. The 400 series highways have consistently been widened and expanded at enormous cost while the transit file has accrued a service deficit so large it will take 30B-50B (according to the province) to catch up. The gardiner hybrid debacle is set to take up most of Torontos capital budget for a decade. We've put roads and highways before transit for eighty years. The Eglinton line opening is an asymmetrical comparison to the 407, 407 extension, 412 and 418 opening from the time they decided to fill in the original Eglinton line. How resources are divided is a perfectly reasonable argument against the 413.Re: the money, if they're tolling this road to recoup building costs i'm not sure how it's going to affect transit. The 407 extension didn't stop Eglinton Crosstown. I'm not buying that.
I wouldn't call this a mega highway. Every major highway will then become a mega highway. 401 should then be classified as a super giga ultra highway.Its 50km long; that's 200-300 lane km.
It will consume over 2,000 acres of land.
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That's well over 3x the land area of the entire Gardiner Expressway.
That's reasonably mega
I mean. It is the busiest highway in North America, and up there in terms of the widest. So yeah, maybe "super giga ultra" is a good moniker.I wouldn't call this a mega highway. Every major highway will then become a mega highway. 401 should then be classified as a super giga ultra highway.
Katy isn't 26 freeway lanes, that number includes the service roads that are common in Texas.I mean. It is the busiest highway in North America, and up there in terms of the widest. So yeah, maybe "super giga ultra" is a good moniker.
Edit: From my quick research as to the widest highways in NA:
- Katy Freeway: 26 lanes
- 401: 22 lanes (at some points)
- NJ Turnpike: 18 lanes (at some points)
Wow, just look at those two massive swaths in the NE and NW sections of the city. Merica!Katy isn't 26 freeway lanes, that number includes the service roads that are common in Texas.
The 401 is the widest highway on the planet in terms of "through lanes". There are 18 lanes, 9 in each direction, between the 427 and 403/410. I have been unable to locate another highway that wide globally. There may be one in China somewhere or something but they tend to build more roads instead of wider ones. There aren't many freeways more than 8 lanes wide there.
That said, Houston is about to start reconstruction of their downtown freeway loop, removing 1/4 of it and redirecting traffic onto the other side of the loop. As a part of this, they are going to build a highway with 22 through lanes. So it will be actually wider.
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We spent a $billion+ just upgrading Union Station. We replaced the entire signal system on the TTC. There's shovels in the ground for Finch West. There was the YUS extension into Vaughan. They retrofitted a bunch of old stations to have better access for the disabled. A big chunk of the legwork for the RER was done. UPX. Extensions of the GO to Barrie, Kitchener, Hamilton, Niagara Falls. The K-W LRT. St. Clair streetcar ROW. The new streetcars & the new barn at Ashbridges Bay. Mississauga LRT. The entire VIVA system. A new LRT line in Ottawa. New parking garages at half the GO stations out there.In fairness, the crosstown is the first new transit line since the Sheppard line opened. thats 19 years and counting. Before tolling starts, it takes massive capitol investments to build these things. The 400 series highways have consistently been widened and expanded at enormous cost while the transit file has accrued a service deficit so large it will take 30B-50B (according to the province) to catch up. The gardiner hybrid debacle is set to take up most of Torontos capital budget for a decade. We've put roads and highways before transit for eighty years. The Eglinton line opening is an asymmetrical comparison to the 407, 407 extension, 412 and 418 opening from the time they decided to fill in the original Eglinton line. How resources are divided is a perfectly reasonable argument against the 413.
Think about it. If cities in the GTA are starting to pass motions against this highway, that probably says something about the popularity of the highway. Mississauga, Vaughan, and Toronto all oppose it.This has nothing directly to do with the city of Toronto. Do the councillors have a lot of free time?
This has nothing directly to do with the city of Toronto. Do the councillors have a lot of free time?