lenaitch
Senior Member
Or 407; it's already there, they jut need better rates.
Drivers, especially commercial, will take the route that most benefits them. It's a time vs money thing.
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Drivers, especially commercial, will take the route that most benefits them. It's a time vs money thing.
Mount Dennis Resident
Active Member
There's also this no-person land called Pearson Airport, that detours traffic around it.
ericmacm
Active Member
Public Information Centre #2 for the Highway 3/4 Twinning/Talbotville Bypass project in St. Thomas will be happening on November 22, 2023.
innsertnamehere
Superstar
Wow, moving fast. Clearly some urgency here.
Transportfan
Senior Member
The province is going to take over the DVP and the Gardiner
www.cp24.com
This will take some time getting used to:
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This will take some time getting used to:
ericmacm
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The slide deck from the second Public Information Centre for the HWY 3/HWY 4 St. Twinning Project in St. Thomas and Talbotville is now available on the MTO Project Website. They have finalized the interchange/intersection designs and have also come up with preliminary staging over a 5-year construction timeline. They are going to move to detail design in spring/summer 2024, targeting a construction start in 2025, which is very aggressive. They plan to start at the HWY 4 side, building the new alignment over to Wonderland, as well as twinning the Kettle Creek Bridge. I have taken some screenshots of the slides:
ericmacm
Active Member
...and additionally, the first Public Information Centre was held recently for the HWY 40 Twinning Project in Sarnia, and the relevant information is posted on that MTO Project Website. This one is far less interesting of a project, however, since everything will be at-grade with traffic lights at intersections. They are planning on closing and realigning some streets that run near HWY 40 to better control access, as well as closing access to some small industrial roads. The recommended plan looks like this:
Deadpool X
Senior Member
Is there any information that DVP will become 404 or Gardiner will become QEW after the upload?The province is going to take over the DVP and the Gardiner
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This will take some time getting used to:
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anb
Active Member
If they put bus lanes on the Gardiner and extend the ones on the DVP straight to downtown then that immediately makes transit an attractive option. This could be very useful when they finish RER and sometimes we get the "shuttle bus" experience like on TTC.
ShonTron
Moderator
Doubt it. The DVP and the Metro-built Gardiner are not built to 400-series standards. I expect they will be given 7000-series numbers for internal use.
EnviroTO
Senior Member
It would be nice if they extended the St.Thomas by-pass to the 401. As it is this is a pretty marginal improvement to bypass a stoplight in Talbotville.
lenaitch
Senior Member
Good point; although they could re-designate the QEW back to where the lions used to live, since I assume it is still up to standard.
Mount Dennis Resident
Active Member
Highway 27 (between Eglinton and Steeles) is still maintained by Toronto.
Black Creek Blvd. was to be a southern extension of Highway 400 to Weston Rd., is still maintained by Toronto.
Spadina Expressway, now known as Allen Rd., between Sheppard and Eglinton, is still maintained by Toronto.
Other former provincial highways have been maintained by Toronto for decades now. Highway 2, aka Lake Shore Blvd. and Kingston Road; Highway 5, aka Dundas Street West, Bloor Street, and Danforth Road; Highway 11, aka Yonge Street; Highway 11A, aka University Avenue and Avenue Road; Highway 48, aka Markham Road; Highway 50, aka Albion Road.
Black Creek Blvd. was to be a southern extension of Highway 400 to Weston Rd., is still maintained by Toronto.
Spadina Expressway, now known as Allen Rd., between Sheppard and Eglinton, is still maintained by Toronto.
Other former provincial highways have been maintained by Toronto for decades now. Highway 2, aka Lake Shore Blvd. and Kingston Road; Highway 5, aka Dundas Street West, Bloor Street, and Danforth Road; Highway 11, aka Yonge Street; Highway 11A, aka University Avenue and Avenue Road; Highway 48, aka Markham Road; Highway 50, aka Albion Road.
ericmacm
Active Member
I have a feeling that planning a full 401 connection is the next step in the process after they get this initial section past the design phase. This project can move this fast because a lot of work has been done in advance - the right-of-way for a twin roadway is already graded most of the way through and functionally just requires a handful of new overpasses and interchanges, with very little of this being on a new alignment.
A third section westward connecting to the 401 with a freeway-to-freeway interchange will arguably be more complicated and take longer since it would require both a brand new alignment and a more complicated interchange structure. Getting the basic 4-lane connection with Colonel Talbot/Sunset was likely deemed satisfactory in the meantime so they don’t have to rush the full freeway connection.
Haljackey
Active Member
If this Highway 3 freeway ultimately connects to the 401... you have a chance to perhaps renumber it... as the 403!
The current 403 could be renumbered to something else... with the Gardiner now going into provincial hands you could maybe have 403/QEW-403/QEW/Gardiner become a new highway number. The QEW itself would just run from Burlington to Fort Erie.
You could even number it 402 all the way to DVP (possibly 404?) with a cosigned section with the 401 between London and Woodstock.
Way too early to know if the DVP/Gardiner will get numbers but its fun to spitball for sure.