[khris]

what happened between them?

[video=youtube;amroqb8VOgQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amroqb8VOgQ[/video]

 

[Ramako]

This: http://www.torontosun.com/2012/10/03/giorgio-mammoliti-and-gord-perks-face-off-at-toronto-city-hall

This is what he was starting to get at when he was trying to introduce going to the integrity commissioner about "behaviour."

Oh yeah, I remember now. Thanks.

 

[Dizzy]

Can someone explain the details or difference between the censure motion and the referral motion?

 

[PinkLucy]

Wong-Tam wants it to go to the Integrity Counsellor as does Stintz. I hope this doesn't pass -- something needs to be done NOW not in April

On one hand, their reasoning makes sense re more accountability, but it will just take far too long.

 

[juniorfox]

Can someone explain the details or difference between the censure motion and the referral motion?

Referral motion means wait and see what the integrity commissioner report says in February or whenever it comes back before taking action against Ford (even so much as a censure). Censure motion condemns his behaviour now, formally. Perks says you can't censure until the referral comes back. DMW says you can do both. Pasternak says fuck the referral, let's censure him now, for the children.

 

[James_D]

I'm beginning to appreciate where Perks, Stintz, Vaughan et al are coming from.

 

[Midtown Urbanist]

Goddamit. I think I might have to like Karen Stintz again.

edit: Goddamit x2: Mammolitti please go away.

 

[Dizzy]

Referral motion means wait and see what the integrity commissioner report says in February or whenever it comes back before taking action against Ford (even so much as a censure). Censure motion condemns his behaviour now, formally. Perks says you can't censure until the referral comes back. DMW says you can do both. Pasternak says fuck the referral, let's censure him now, for the children.

But does the censure actually do anything? It sounds about as useful as another strongly worded letter.

 

[juniorfox]

Mammo shut up about the drug testing.

 

[James_D]

Mammo is a complete fucking asshole.

 

[John_Dee]

Has it been mentioned yet that Mayor Cartman's been officially asked to not attend the Santa Claus Parade?

http://torontoist.com/2013/11/mayor-rob-ford-asked-not-to-appear-in-the-santa-claus-parade/

Edited to add: Mammo's a piece of work all right. What an utter scumbag.

 

[Steviewonders]

The referral is the right way to go. Wong-Tam nailed it.

 

[juniorfox]

Mammo is a complete fucking asshole.

Hah! What a dick, "I could swear to the holy god that Councillor Perks was under the influence of something when he attacked me."

 

[khris]

Random drug testing should be done. And there should be repercussions if you are found positive for illegal substances. These people need to be accountable. We need smart intelligent sober people representing us.

 

[Dizzy]

Also, what could the integrity commissioner actually do towards removing Ford?