Chello
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Funny how he notes that their city, Toronto, is greater than any one person. The vote was near unanimous with Councillors from all wards voting for today's motion.
His choice to separate the 2.8million citizens is unfortunate.
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Funny how he notes that their city, Toronto, is greater than any one person. The vote was near unanimous with Councillors from all wards voting for today's motion.
His choice to separate the 2.8million citizens is unfortunate.
Dubster
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Oh FFS, these so-called experts are full of shit. Read between the lines. Te ITO is long because investigations into sitting politicians are unprecedented. The rules are completely different, and the standard of evidence required for the Crown almost impossibly high.
Peepers, look up confirmation bias. You are suffering it deeply with regard to Bill Blair.
typezed
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Not that it really matters one way or the other, and I can see renaming as a small yelp of celebration, but I believe this thread was named "Mayor Ford's Toronto" before Ford became Mayor. At that time we were talking about how Toronto might be affected if he was to become Mayor. And now as he becomes less of a Mayor and even through the campaign and the next election we will talk of how Toronto was affected because he became Mayor. If Toronto had been sensible and he never became Mayor the thread would have ended three years ago. The most important factor is that an unsuitable for office man became Mayor. 'Mayor' is the action word here.
Peepers
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Just in:
Man charged in the Christopher Skinner murder was coached by Rob Ford at Don Bosco
http://www.torontosun.com/2013/11/15/former-don-boscoe-football-player-charged-in-skinner-murder
Man charged in the Christopher Skinner murder was coached by Rob Ford at Don Bosco
http://www.torontosun.com/2013/11/15/former-don-boscoe-football-player-charged-in-skinner-murder
aghull
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The word "Mayor" would be the one thing you can't take away from him. A more accurate title change would be "Mayor Rob Ford vs Toronto"
hper
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Oh so agreed. Towhey, being ex-Military semi-brass and all, is probably more used to seeing his orders done then questioned. Or outright ignored. Beyond that, he seems to have a very twisted perspective on civic virtue. Shudder to think of a Towhey-run polis. It would be Bedford Falls run by Blackwater. He slips and slides from his 'witty' twitter persona into a hedgy media dodgeball player. Thank RoFo for shanking him, frankly (for all the wrong reasons). The city missed a bullet when that sh*tbird got sh*tcanned.
As for Kouvalis, why any reputable pol would bring that 'bird' on defies belief. It's almost like announcing,"Yeah, all I want to do is win, I don't care how." Ape law.
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Johnny Au
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Do you think Ford Nation would brand a certain humorous American channel "Commie" Central?
juniorfox
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Well maybe I'm cynical but I don't think that mentality is especially rare in politics, particularly on the right.
TJ O'Pootertoot
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This hasn't all played out. Obviously it's weird they started investigating Ford, amassed 500 pages of not-always-pertinent info...and then arrested Lisi and the dry cleaner. But, call me naive, I still think other things are in play. You can see it in the stuff that's still blacked out.
How is it possible they have nothing with which to charge ford? Maybe that was a political decision, to cut him a break, say, "we have the video" and hope he'll take the hint (which he hasn't)? Why even randomly announce you have the video? Why consult with two lawyers to ask what to say about it when you can, if you want, keep that quiet a while longer? It seems to me that "because the police don't like Ford and want to embarrass him," is an awful shallow answer to explain all that effort.
Is it possible he wasn't involved in Lisi's efforts to get the video? Improbable, but possible. If anything, it's more likely Lisi won't roll on him, though that seems weird to me; Ford isn't exactly Don Corleone.
Is it possible that none of the Project Traveler wiretaps mention the mayor? Mention him buying drugs? Mention him looking for a video? I guess it's possible. What about - a whole week ago! - the news that people were showing up with money and threatening people in Dixon? Were they working for Ford? The mob? Why isn't that in the ITO?
These are just some of the many huge, unanswered questions, any combination of which could explain why you have this voluminous ITO that's not even about the people who got arrested, one of whom only seems indirectly connected to the mayor via Lisi. (Ironically, I think it would seem even weirder if they had this 500-page document and then just jacked Ford up on a DUI.) I think there's more coming, ongoing investigations and it would be wrong to assume Ford is scot free as far as criminal charges. Maybe that's wishful thinking but it's the most logical way to explain the police service's actions, if you ask me.
adma
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The "to offer guests" may be the critical element here, if one remembers the Ana Bailao drunk-driving charge--that is, "buying votes" through booze...
adma
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More like Flounder.
adma
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Though remember that even if Ford loses his title, his erstwhile Mayoralty will remain *his* Mayoralty--that is, he'll still be on record as Mayor for his interval. It isn't like Lance Armstrong's medals being withdrawn...
mrtinfoilsocket
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I agree with you and I also think Mark Pugash's comments are important. It seems to me this is the most I've heard the TPS ever say at once about this whole story.
What's down the middle of "targeting" and "covering for"? In my opinion it's a completely warranted and legitimate criminal investigation.
salsa
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Yup. Rob's coaching has kept these "kids" out of jail.
hper
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The two CD lawyers raise good points. The length of the ITO is WTF?, for one. The plethora of odd, personal details another. But the most troubling is along the lines of "What if this was about a mayor you may have liked?'. That is cause for pause.
Clearly, the ongoing (?) investigation has uncovered so many unsavoury details about Mr. Ford that any argument regarding his fitness to govern is no longer supportable. But, aside from the satisfaction the investigation has brought many of us, are the now revealed actions of the TPS justified? Until we know the ends of said investigation, it remains a worthy question. It really is hard for any skeptical person to know who to believe or trust right now (With the exception of the Fords, whose fractal truth-spraining is becoming intolerable).
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