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It's too bad there are no brave police willing to take justice into their own hands for the greater good, because it seems the system works mainly to shield corruption at this point.


Hahahah who am I kidding, there are no brave police.

My last interaction with a Toronto policeman was her telling me 'to grow up' for wanting to file a complaint, followed by a demeaning 'where are you from?'. This was after being asked to leave the outer premises of the Ontario Legislature due to 'security concerns' on a holiday.

Apparently you can sit on the steps of the Parliament of Canada during holidays but doing so at the pronvincial legislature will get you kicked out by local security.

Everyday in Toronto I see dozens if not hundreds of drivers breaking posted speed limits. But where are the cops? Ticketing cyclists who do rolling stops in residential streets, of course.

While I don't think that the Toronto Police are particularly terrible for world standards, the institution does feel disconnected from a cosmopolitan, peaceful, and progressive city like Toronto. Most members of our public service here in Toronto are ridiculously friendly and exceptional. My experience with the TPS - other than their wonderful equine division - has been nothing of the sorts.
 
Could Fraud Nayshun be the start of a legitimate tea party movement in Canada?

Are we a society in decline?
Are the Fraud Nayshunials the ancestors of the Idiotocracy? (lol is that an 'elitist' thing to say?
How can we heal the divide?

After watching that video of interviews with Ford supporters at his campaign launch, it's obvious that these people are about as unsophisticated as they get. I come from an area that was once considered the wrong side of the tracks and had a bad reputation of being populated by uneducated, lead-poisoned labourers. I get annoyed when I hear people call Ford supporters "uneducated" as that would describe most of my old neighbours, many of whom were forced out of school early for economic reasons; but they were not stupid. Some of them were downright brilliant. I would love to know what they'd make of the Ford phenomenon today.

Watching Ford's supporters talk on camera was cringe-worthy. That stupid singer chick Jenny (?), and the steak queen guy could barely articulate a thought. They have no political opinion which is not spoon fed to them and in the case of the singer, she wasn't even able to give a compelling reason why she likes Ford. She's either an opportunist or a fat-daddy fetish.

Hilariously, an older man described himself as a political junkie who wakes at 5 a.m. to read all the newspapers. Well, he can't be absorbing much because he still apparently believes wholeheartedly that Ford's bullshit is truth. He the nerve to call everyone else "ignorant".
 
This should be interesting, it's not the GTA but as time nears things will get harrier, especially, according to Doug, when men run around buck naked.

Catholic teachers union blasted for WorldPride Parade plans
http://www.torontosun.com/2014/04/21/catholic-teachers-union-blasted-for-worldpride-parade-plans

I'm sure the Fords will start salivating on this one; casinos or better yet, a Ferris Wheel.

Downsview Park should be given to Toronto: Councillor
http://www.torontosun.com/2014/04/21/downsview-park-should-be-given-to-toronto-councillor

And another politico passes:

Liberal stalwart Herb Gray dead at 82
http://www.torontosun.com/2014/04/21/liberal-stalwart-herb-gray-dead-at-82
 
To be clear, I know FA. And what I am saying should be regarded as BS. This is all second hand from people who inhabit the region north of T.O., who, FWIW, seem to regard us all as morons who can't see what's plainly in front of our faces. I would prefer to outright reject their insinuations and observations. But that wouldn't be rational.

Hyper, I think your initial assessment was completely dead on. Your bullshit meter was buried in the red for good reason. I wondered after reading your words if I knew the person who was the source of those comments. I have property in the Huronia Detachment area and I've heard the baloney about "Taranna" from people who should know better. Most locals are good people but there is definitely a bullshit factory with bored locals who like to believe things in the city are corrupt beyond repair - or who are determined to make others believe so. Whether or not your friends have a close friend in the OPP, it sounds so typical of what I know of smaller towns.

As corrupt as I believe Ford and friends are, it is doubtful that any intel the OPP get up there is anything more than salacious gossip, and if someone is acting like they have inside info, it's probably just so that gullible people will hang on his every word. We already know that the Fords are known to police and it's likely that the OPP are aware but I'll bet their ability to escape conviction has more to do with that on-retainer criminal lawyer than any special connections who are willing to risk their own careers for small players like the Fords.

When I was doing some campaign work for a Simcoe-Grey candidate, I met a guy who claimed to be a retired Toronto policeman with all sorts of "inside" knowledge and connections to "everything". To listen to him, you might as well just slit your wrists and check out early because everyone is corrupt including your own mother. Trust no-one. By the end of the election I had heard enough of him and more just like him that I didn't know what to believe. It was rather depressing. I had a conversation with a a lifelong area resident friend about all the horrible things I was hearing and we concluded that 9/10ths of what people say about politics is unfounded nonsense. It's easier to disseminate such garbage in a smaller community because politicians, police, town officials etc., often grow up nearby and have a long local history which can be debunked by people who have intimate knowledge of who they are - and who they were.

I think the reason outsiders believe Toronto is run by gangs, mobsters, bikers, unions and corrupt politicians and bureaucrats is because it is difficult to know someone's history in the city. It comes down to a deeply ingrained mistrust of the unknown. Cops share the same beliefs and prejudices as other locals but that rant sounded like a typical "everything in Toronto is bad" speech like I've heard a hundred times. These conversations are distressing simply because of the conviction of the story-teller, but sometimes it's that forced conviction which raises red flags for me now. Good call on the baloney factor of that story.
 
I think the reason outsiders believe Toronto is run by gangs, mobsters, bikers, unions and corrupt politicians and bureaucrats is because it is difficult to know someone's history in the city. It comes down to a deeply ingrained mistrust of the unknown. Cops share the same beliefs and prejudices as other locals but that rant sounded like a typical "everything in Toronto is bad" speech like I've heard a hundred times. These conversations are distressing simply because of the conviction of the story-teller, but sometimes it's that forced conviction which raises red flags for me now. Good call on the baloney factor of that story.

It boils down to a contradiction of two reasonable assumptions: 1) If everyone the Fords associate with has a criminal record and/or is an active criminal, members of the family have a range of criminal convictions, arrests and drug problems, and there is strong circumstantial evidence that Doug was a drug dealer in his youth then it's reasonable to conclude that there is a high likelihood that they themselves are engaged in criminal activity. However, 2) if it's supposedly so obvious, why haven't they been charged with anything yet? The conclusion that some draw is A) There are powerful people protecting the family that allows them to get away with (literally?) murder. What's much more likely is B) the Fords are smart enough to keep it just under the radar. If nobody's getting killed and they themselves aren't drug traffickers then the police have other/easier priorities.
 
There's probably a bit of that, for sure. And maybe some chose to stand for the entire time too. But if you look closely, a lot of the empty tables had chairs that were arranged too neatly to have been previously occupied.

Also, with 297 tables for 10 set up, and the space between those tables subtracted too, there could not not have been a great deal of room left at the front or the sides, so it seems implausible that there could have been 2,000 (the G&M's number and Toronto Life's number) standing at the front and lined up.
 
After watching that video of interviews with Ford supporters at his campaign launch, it's obvious that these people are about as unsophisticated as they get. I come from an area that was once considered the wrong side of the tracks and had a bad reputation of being populated by uneducated, lead-poisoned labourers. I get annoyed when I hear people call Ford supporters "uneducated" as that would describe most of my old neighbours, many of whom were forced out of school early for economic reasons; but they were not stupid. Some of them were downright brilliant. I would love to know what they'd make of the Ford phenomenon today.

Watching Ford's supporters talk on camera was cringe-worthy. That stupid singer chick Jenny (?), and the steak queen guy could barely articulate a thought. They have no political opinion which is not spoon fed to them and in the case of the singer, she wasn't even able to give a compelling reason why she likes Ford. She's either an opportunist or a fat-daddy fetish.

Hilariously, an older man described himself as a political junkie who wakes at 5 a.m. to read all the newspapers. Well, he can't be absorbing much because he still apparently believes wholeheartedly that Ford's bullshit is truth. He the nerve to call everyone else "ignorant".

They can't articulate a thought because they parrot everything Ford says. Ask them for specifics and they trip over their tongues.
 
Doug did sell drugs in those days but there's really no way to prove it. Hardly think he'd still be at it.

Slinging hash is a kid's game. It also doesn't pay well (maybe for a teenager, but you can hardly support a family on it). If Los Decos Hermanos are on the wrong side of the law it will be something white collar-esque or they are acting as financier/fixer for someone else's illicit activities. The idea that they are head of a criminal enterprise is a bit laughable since they've shown that they can't run cities, campaigns or label companies for shit.
 
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Doug did sell drugs in those days but there's really no way to prove it. Hardly think he'd still be at it.

I agree, and in his own words he is a "businessman" and "sober", but once you have just one taste of somethings you can never entirely leave. IMO the attitude just might be akin to "The lady doth protest too much, methinks".

Slinging hash is a kid's game. It also doesn't pay well (maybe for a teenager, but you can hardly support a family on it). If Los Decos Hermanos are on the wrong side of the law it will be something white collar-esque or they are acting as financier/fixer for someone else's illicit activities. The idea that they are head of a criminal enterprise is a bit laughable since they've shown that they can't run cities, campaigns or label companies for shit.

Maybe not heads of a clandestine criminal organization, but I'm sure the fantasy is there. It seems at least they are trying to get out from under from the legacy of Doug Sr., and we really have no idea the extent of his dealings, or how far the kids were involved.
 
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