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Anyone else think this whole thing smells like a plot to change the Ford-is-a-lame-duck narrative? Without denigrating Ruby's intelligence or Adam C-F's motives, this is the best thing that could happen to Ford. Whether he wins or loses, much of his slate of recent failures will be wiped clean.

Obviously Ford's not cunning enough to think this up, but is Towhey? I always figured Kouvalis was more of a plumber.

And before you laugh the thought out of your head, remember how Ford's campaign got Tory out of the way.
 
Anyone else think this whole thing smells like a plot to change the Ford-is-a-lame-duck narrative? Without denigrating Ruby's intelligence or Adam C-F's motives, this is the best thing that could happen to Ford. Whether he wins or loses, much of his slate of recent failures will be wiped clean.

Obviously Ford's not cunning enough to think this up, but is Towhey? I always figured Kouvalis was more of a plumber.

And before you laugh the thought out of your head, remember how Ford's campaign got Tory out of the way.

I do!

Don't know if it'll wipe the slate clean but definitely a nice distraction to allow his side to regroup.

Just can't figure Ruby's angle though. Surely he can't be unaware of the optics involved.
 
Anyone else think this whole thing smells like a plot to change the Ford-is-a-lame-duck narrative? Without denigrating Ruby's intelligence or Adam C-F's motives, this is the best thing that could happen to Ford. Whether he wins or loses, much of his slate of recent failures will be wiped clean.

Obviously Ford's not cunning enough to think this up, but is Towhey? I always figured Kouvalis was more of a plumber.

And before you laugh the thought out of your head, remember how Ford's campaign got Tory out of the way.

I dunno, if Ruby loses, I think things are pretty much going back to normal. Ford Nation will go "I told you so", gripe a little about wasted money/time and the whole thing will quickly dissipate as Ford gets into all sorts of shenanigans again.

On the other hand, if Ruby wins, this will truly instill a persecution complex within Ford Nation-and as always, negative memories and feelings will overpower positive ones.


As for Tory, anyone who decides not to run based on a few callers on the radio probably wasn't serious about running in the first place.
 
It doesn't matter what a majority on Council thought? Rob Ford loves you!

It really doesn't. Council could pass a motion saying they're not going to investigate or implicate Ford for murdering his wife, but that doesn't change the illegality of that act. All Council voted on was whether THEY would investigate the matter.
 
Edward Keenan weighs in at The Grid

"So we can wave all these off as petty details, an ever-growing pile of technicalities, but the details in question are the very safeguards that protect our democracy from being abused. In the mayor’s defence, you can argue—as many are—that the violations here appear relatively minor, and that removal from office is too harsh a penalty for the alleged violations of the rules. That sounds reasonable to me—overturning election results is a fairly steep penalty.

But that is an argument for which the legislation should be changed to allow lesser penalties. It is a big and dangerous leap to argue instead that the law should not be enforced. And the harsh penalties the law requires are not sensibly evidence that attempting to enforce the law is unfairly partisan.

We have rules protecting us against potential government corruption for a reason. We expect our elected officials—and especially our mayor—to obey those rules. It is not partisan to hope he will, and to demand that he should."

http://www.thegridto.com/city/polit...the-mayor-another-instance-of-anti-ford-bias/

I know Ford spends his life doing what he wants because he thinks it's right, but Keenan makes a really good argument that (a) it's a frickin' slippery slope with the guy, and politicians in general and (b) he can't just say he's above the law and/or ignorant of the law. Keenan also makes a couple of good points about whether this is small beer or not and/or good optics for the left or not. Conclusion: Neither point matters.
 
That makes sense. But Keenan, and a lot of people around here, seem to think that the original infraction - soliciting money as if it was official city business - is not a scandal, because the money was for a charity.

Anybody who thinks that a charity cannot be used as an election slush fund, or create other ethical conflicts, is not following the saga of Michael Di Biase's Foundation up in Vaughan.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/09/27/councillor-calls-on-ex-vaughan-mayor-to-leave-foundation/

If anything, I think the MCIA should be TIGHTENED UP, to stop this kind of thing.
 
That makes sense. But Keenan, and a lot of people around here, seem to think that the original infraction - soliciting money as if it was official city business - is not a scandal, because the money was for a charity.

Anybody who thinks that a charity cannot be used as an election slush fund, or create other ethical conflicts, is not following the saga of Michael Di Biase's Foundation up in Vaughan.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/09/27/councillor-calls-on-ex-vaughan-mayor-to-leave-foundation/

If anything, I think the MCIA should be TIGHTENED UP, to stop this kind of thing.

Well one key difference is that Ford's charity is managed by the Toronto Community Foundation, which at least prevents it from being a "charity" (wink wink).
 
No it doesn't. The TCF itself has made it clear that has no oversight or control over the charity. They just provide "back office functions". See Janet Leiper's report: http://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2010/cc/bgrd/CC52.1.pdf

Rob decides who gets hit up for money, he decides who gets the money, and he gets a complete list of the donors. He also includes campaign materials in the same envelope as the solicitation letter, and he boasts about his Foundation to voters when running for office (while grossly exaggerating how much money it has raised).

Even if you prefer not to think that the lobbyist donations are outright kickbacks for favours, this is still a good old fashioned scam, folks!
 
No it doesn't. The TCF itself has made it clear that has no oversight or control over the charity. They just provide "back office functions". See Janet Leiper's report: http://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2010/cc/bgrd/CC52.1.pdf

Rob decides who gets hit up for money, he decides who gets the money, and he gets a complete list of the donors. He also includes campaign materials in the same envelope as the solicitation letter, and he boasts about his Foundation to voters when running for office (while grossly exaggerating how much money it has raised).

Even if you prefer not to think that the lobbyist donations are outright kickbacks for favours, this is still a good old fashioned scam, folks!

Does anybody know how much of Rob Ford's own money he has donated to the charity? Does he actually use his own wealth to contribute to it? You never see that mentioned anywhere. Is that information public?
 
No it doesn't. The TCF itself has made it clear that has no oversight or control over the charity. They just provide "back office functions". See Janet Leiper's report: http://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2010/cc/bgrd/CC52.1.pdf

Rob decides who gets hit up for money, he decides who gets the money, and he gets a complete list of the donors. He also includes campaign materials in the same envelope as the solicitation letter, and he boasts about his Foundation to voters when running for office (while grossly exaggerating how much money it has raised).

Even if you prefer not to think that the lobbyist donations are outright kickbacks for favours, this is still a good old fashioned scam, folks!

My experience with this comes from working with a community foundation elsewhere in the province. I assumed they were run similarly.
 
Does this mean that any elected official can be drummed out of office for soliciting donations or selling raffle tickets or peanuts as a fund raising effort for their children's sports activities?
 
Does this mean that any elected official can be drummed out of office for soliciting donations or selling raffle tickets or peanuts as a fund raising effort for their children's sports activities?

Yes. Mr. Ford was well aware of the law and the consequences for breaking it. The law is the law and it must be followed. I'll admit that the punishment is harsh, but if we allow the small things like this to happen it will open the door to cases that are much more serious then this.
 
Hopefully the case will end without Ford being pushed out of office, and that it'll just tie up his hands for the next while or so.

Agreed. This case is just a witch hunt by the left (this is coming from a liberal). But the mayor should face VERY SERIOUS consequences for his actions. Perhaps a hefty fine of a few $100,000s and the loss of his salary that he got from being mayor. He should also be banned from running for office the day after he completes his first or second term as mayor.
 
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While I agree that this could be positioned as a witch hunt, let's not forget that Ford's dalliances with the Integrity Commissioner aren't anything new. Ignore Royson James' editorializing here and look at how long Ford has been KNOWINGLY circumventing or outright ignoring these rules.

Are opponents trying to unseat Mayor Rob Ford from office by citing nitpicky rules? Or has he brought this week’s conflict-of-interest lawsuit upon himself?

Reports from the city’s integrity commissioner, as non-partisan an arbiter as one can find, show the conflict dates back to 2005:

• A citizen complained in 2007 that Councillor Rob Ford violated two clauses in the councillors’ code of conduct when he enclosed a decal promoting his printing company in an invitation to a summer barbecue. The invitation was in an envelope bearing Ford’s City Hall address and City of Toronto logo. As Ford appeared “contrite,” the integrity commissioner pardoned him, though it was a repeat of a 2005 violation.

• A November 2009 complaint had similar concerns. Ford agreed his family business stickers should not have been included. But he argued he could use the city logo and letterhead because he pays office supplies and postage out of his own pocket. The integrity commissioner disagreed.

A councillor complained in February 2010 about similar donation letters and integrity commissioner Janet Leiper gave Ford written advice to stop using his councillor status for private fundraising.

• Leiper’s investigation uncovered numerous violations which she reported to council. Ford’s “Rob Ford for Mayor 2010” website had links to his foundation and claimed Ford had raised more than $100,000 for football equipment, but records showed only $40,000.

Leiper discovered that 11 of 26 corporations and trade associations which made donations in 2009 and 2010 were directly lobbying city councillors. Asked if they’d lobbied him, Ford said it was “ridiculous to say something like that.” Leiper found that seven of the 11 did, in fact, lobby Ford. In total, they donated $3,150 to Ford’s foundation.

She concluded this was a violation of the clause that prohibits lobbyists from providing “favours of any kind” to a councillor. And she cited the findings of the Bellamy Inquiry which identified “donations to charitable events sponsored by public office holders” as “problematic corporate benefits” because “they erode public trust.”

She found out that Ford’s staff used city time and resources in servicing the donors; that Ford himself sought out the names of donors and followed up with calls of thanks, on city time. As such he was improperly combining his role as councillor and private citizen.

• A Toronto resident complained in May 2010 after receiving a donor letter from Ford. The complainant had just heard Ford was running for mayor, and wrote:

“This left me uncomfortable. While it was not stated in words, there was a clear sense of an implied suggestion that a donation to his charity might serve me well should he be elected mayor.”

When the integrity commissioner sought Ford’s response, he dismissed the complaint as having “no basis in policy or law” and would undermine a worthy cause, namely, helping underprivileged kids.

Leiper asked Ford to reconsider because she’d advised him his behaviour was violating council rules. Ford stood firm, so Leiper wrote to council, recommending Ford return the $3,150. Council agreed in August 2010.

But Ford refused to comply. He ignored six letters from Leiper, finally telling her the donors didn’t want the money returned. So she returned to council last month, asking the politicians to back up their decision.

Instead of excusing himself from the debate, Ford actively participated, and voted against his paying back the $3,150 from his pocket. Council voted 22-12 to back him and rescind the 2010 council decision.

This week, lawyer Clayton Ruby announced he was, on behalf of citizen Paul Magder, filing court action against the mayor for conflict of interest.
 
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