jml
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Opinion tide seems to be turning. I think Olivia's going to look great tomorrow. The only candidate who didn't back out on priority neighbourhoods? That's the principled stand.
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kaboi
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Her team is full of idiots. She could have condemned Doug Ford's actions while still promising to show up for the debate because of the importance of the issue.
Epic fail.
Dilla
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casita
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Mayoral candidate Ari Goldkind has now been re-invited to tomorrow night's debate (organizers uninvited him a few hours ago) #TOpoli
https://twitter.com/reporterdonpeat/status/520404283876212736
JT is going too!
https://twitter.com/reporterdonpeat/status/520404283876212736
JT is going too!
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jml
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I agree that her team is crummy and that she didn't handle this situation particularly well, but I think the idea that the right move was to drop out and abandon the priority neighbourhood debate is misguided. Ford slings poo and priority neighbourhoods get fucked over again.
TJ O'Pootertoot
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90% of the people who have heard this story don't know who was hosting the debate though clearly she is trying to spin that as the issue.
All everyone knows is Doug threw a tantrum and the organizers caved.
Would it be more or less of a "principled stand" if this debate was being put on by the Board of Trade or the UJA or any other group? No - it's just convenient for her to say this is about the priority neighbourhoods.
Everyone knows Doug's tactics. The organizer is to blame for caving and Tory took the principled stand which is, "If you're disinviting candidates from a debate because of one candidate's request, it's not a fair debate and I'm not participating."
See, Doug can say that about Ari because he's small potatoes and he's a meanie. He WANTS Tory there so he can blah blah about "BackTrack" and Charter and say "What's the Story, Mr. Tory?" ten times.
He wants Olivia there because she will leave him alone and also go at Tory.
Otherwise, if either of them were the threat that 'insignificant' Goldkind is, he could just as easily have forced the organizers' hand by saying, "If Tory isn't there, I'm not either," and Olivia's hypocrisy would be even clearer.
(On principle, part of me would support Goldkind/Chow/Tory saying they're not attending any more debates with this Ford moron, but practically speaking the issue is that if Doug, a legit candidate, was invited by their host, it's not their place to dictate otherwise.)
Cooper
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Yeah. Olivia's saying she would attend because the debate was about priority neighbourhoods, which shouldn't be subject to political bickering. I can buy that. Now, if there's proof of Ari's statement, that's a whole other story...
Cooper
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How many times has Doug said he'll never debate Ari again? This one of those weird Ford things: they say they aren't going to do something, then go do it again. Rinse and repeat. It's weird.
W. K. Lis
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Doug Ford must think he's in China. He wants to pre-select the candidates at the debates. Sorry, Dear Leader of Ford Nation, we do not want to do that.
Videodrome
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I would assume Chow as well. That leaves Doug as the odd man out.
Kat_YYZ
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the same lefty council who approved trashing the funded Scarborough LRT in favour of Rob Ford's Scarborough subway?? -- and did this after the crack video allegations and a bunch of other sh!t about Ford came out, they still caved in to him like that?
No thanks, I don't trust those mugs.
Cooper
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I don't see that as "backing" Ford. Looks more Heath is trying not to get dragged into the mudslinging. But it's a weak and discouraging response, I give you that. YMMV.
Dilla
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hper
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With all due respect, he is making more substance of these debates than previously shown by 'real' candidates. So, for that reason alone he should perhaps be accorded more credibility than 'Crazy Kilt-Man' or 'PETA-Endorsed Drag Queen'. (Let's leave the earnest teenager out of this).
Secondly, to parse your comment and selectively edit it:
"...he is most certainly a ...candidate with no political experience. Sure, he's a...(bullshitter) and has absolutely (every)thing to lose in debates, but there's (no) intrinsic reason why he should be in debates. His platform is (vacant). But being mayor is about more than being (afraid of) debates and preparing a wish list of (non-existent) policy."
That's Doug Ford.
So, is there a good reason why HE should be in debates, let alone seemingly dictate their terms? Goldkind's a no-hoper in this circus, no doubt. But if he brings something of value, or more value to it, he should participate as much as the others. Doug Ford has media cover/momentum. That shouldn't mean he is in any way a more valid candidate than Goldkind. Without the media, Doug is just an asshole blowhard. With the media he's an asshole blowhard with a megaphone. Plus attendant page clicks, ad revenue and audience.
Anyone who exposes him as such is more than welcome, IMHO.
TJ O'Pootertoot
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It's the ol Bush Doctrine: She wasn't against Doug, so she might as well have been for him.
Like I said before, just as on Switcheroo Friday, she tried to look like the sensitives, smart person with her eye on the ball. Instead she comes across as wishy washy. Maybe that's not fair but that's how it looks. (Read Tory's statement - it's perfect. Says he's happy to debate, but he's not letting someone bully everyone else.)
The mere fact that Doug's statement echoes Olivia's (it's a shame John is refusing to address the crucial issues in our priority neighbourhoods) tells you a lot. She's just getting played by him.
As it should be. And as it should have been in the first place. Suck on that, Massoudi.
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