ssiguy2
Senior Member
At least Ford's plan will actually get Toronto moving again unlike Smitherman's. Remember Ford's plan is 5 years not 10. All Smitherman will have constructed is a billion $ streetcar that will go no faster than POP bus. A simple bus only lane down Sheppard will do the exact same thing as a streetcar but cost a fraction of the price and could be built in no time. That just isn't sexy enough for Miller.
TC is touted as a rapid transit system serving all areas of Toronto. Both are a complete lie.
The original city of Toronto is completely neglected. Then we have the "rapid" part of the equation. None of the lines with the possible exception of Eglinton could be even remotely considered rapid.
Here's a challenge to all the TC supporters.............. provide me just one example on the whole planet where a streetcar that stops every 2 to 3 blocks, potentially all lights, and transfers needed to get on the same technology while heading in the same direction requires a station transfer and is still considered rapid transit. Just one example will do.
The thing that REALLY pisses me off about TC is that it could work and work well. The problem isn't the technology but rather how it's being executed. They couldn't screw this system up more if they tried.
Only the holy maker knows why the TTC could possibly present a plan where you are heading in one direction but then told to get off to go downstairs and wait for a new train using the same technology to carry you in the same direction. It's like having a subway station with two entrances and stopping, making people get off at one entrance , walk the half block to the other entrance to get back on the same subway train. I have tried to figure out the logic of this most bizzare concept and there simply isn't one.
What moron would build a line down Sheppard and not transfer the tunnel to LRT and not connect it to STC.
How in god's name could anyone even have the nerve to call a system that stops every 2 to 3 blocks and potentially all light as "rapid" transit? It could be real rapid transit if it stopped every 1 to 1.5 km and where it wasn't stopping it could use over/underpasses to avoid any lights except at ones which will have an at grade station. It would also be a hell of a lot easier on businesses and traffic as the under/over passes could be built with U-turns.
TC could have been a fast, affordable, seamless transit system but instead became a slow moving streetcar system with 2 to 3 times as many stops as needed and a disjointed mess with endless transfers.
When first announced I was excited for Toronto but with this horrid execution of a potentially great system would make me vote for anyone who cancels the entire system including the small part of Sheppard underway.
TC is touted as a rapid transit system serving all areas of Toronto. Both are a complete lie.
The original city of Toronto is completely neglected. Then we have the "rapid" part of the equation. None of the lines with the possible exception of Eglinton could be even remotely considered rapid.
Here's a challenge to all the TC supporters.............. provide me just one example on the whole planet where a streetcar that stops every 2 to 3 blocks, potentially all lights, and transfers needed to get on the same technology while heading in the same direction requires a station transfer and is still considered rapid transit. Just one example will do.
The thing that REALLY pisses me off about TC is that it could work and work well. The problem isn't the technology but rather how it's being executed. They couldn't screw this system up more if they tried.
Only the holy maker knows why the TTC could possibly present a plan where you are heading in one direction but then told to get off to go downstairs and wait for a new train using the same technology to carry you in the same direction. It's like having a subway station with two entrances and stopping, making people get off at one entrance , walk the half block to the other entrance to get back on the same subway train. I have tried to figure out the logic of this most bizzare concept and there simply isn't one.
What moron would build a line down Sheppard and not transfer the tunnel to LRT and not connect it to STC.
How in god's name could anyone even have the nerve to call a system that stops every 2 to 3 blocks and potentially all light as "rapid" transit? It could be real rapid transit if it stopped every 1 to 1.5 km and where it wasn't stopping it could use over/underpasses to avoid any lights except at ones which will have an at grade station. It would also be a hell of a lot easier on businesses and traffic as the under/over passes could be built with U-turns.
TC could have been a fast, affordable, seamless transit system but instead became a slow moving streetcar system with 2 to 3 times as many stops as needed and a disjointed mess with endless transfers.
When first announced I was excited for Toronto but with this horrid execution of a potentially great system would make me vote for anyone who cancels the entire system including the small part of Sheppard underway.