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Here is the updated version of the map showing the division in phasing. Note that the MCC extension is based on the willingness of Mississauga, and we have not factored it into our budget, as we are focusing only on Toronto (same as what TC did).
Can you name ONE destination that will be faster by subway than by GO, or GO + a transfer to subway at Kipling?Um, because GO doesn't GO where they're GOING? Not everyone's destination is Kipling or Union.
And also because it doesn't serve, um, Mississauga City Centre, which is what we're talking about?
God talking to you Mississauga bashers is harder than bringing the mountain to Mohammed.
I consider the implication that MCC doesn't deserve a subway to be a symptom of Mississauga-bashing. It indicates an ignorance about Mississauga which is just as bad as Mississaugaphobia, which Torontophiles exhibit in abundance, especially on this forum, in contrast to mostly apathy from Torontonians in real life.
Somehow regional rail and subway systems can coexist in other cities, but mention subway to Square One and Torontonians have a conniption.
For reason I already explain, Sheppard west has to be there on phase I
Bathurst-Sheppard
Connection to the Wilson Yard
Connecting Downsview to STC--True Rapid North Crosstown
Downsview is growing fast
Sheppard west getting more dense
Eliminating unnecessary transfer
Sheppard west is too narrow for BRT or LRT
Congestion at peak point makes the service desastrous
Adding more buses or articulate buses changes nothing since they are trap in circulation.
Metrolinx already included Sheppard west in the Scenario to be study
The west extension add connectivity and efficiency to the network...(The subway is already there)
Have any flyers been produced for printing purposes to spread the word?
Will the flyers be in different languages?
Isn't pushing for a subway to replace a bus route that carries a grand total of 16,000ppd (from Yonge all the way to Weston Rd plus numerous branches) a little too greedy? Even if roughly half of that figure only commuted between the two YUS branches that's still far below the minimum threshold required for subways. Meanwhile a subway that would be highly trafficked from day one (DRL West) is also absent from the first phase. My point, sacrifices have to be made.
Your points are debatable nonetheless. Sheppard-Bathurst is not a destination. I can list off countless intersections with a high-rise cluster that aren't on any kind of radar to relieve subways, case in point the even denser intersection Bathurst has with Steeles Ave. Bathurst at this point is easily within 5 minutes of the subway via the 196E, so why build a billion dollar subway feeder that'll only be a few minutes faster (or not at all faster given the likelihood of a stopover at Senlac en route).
How do you incorporate a wye to/from the YUS and Sheppard Lines at Downsview given alignment constraints? You'd have to retrofit the existing tunnel at the very least. And will Wilson even have the space for Sheppard trainsets after the YUS expansions let alone space taken up by storage of some Eglinton cars?
Downsview is developing, which is why it already has its own subway. The detached single dwelling households which line Sheppard from Wilson Hts to Beecroft don't look to be going anywhere any time soon though.
And what unnecessary transfer? How many people are seriously traveling straight across Sheppard through Yonge, and not seeking to just get off at that juncture? What market will there be left for such a connection after the Finch LRT stretches from Rexdale to Fairview Mall. Not York U. Certainly not Vaughan. I never thought I'd be quoting kettal but I'd file Shep West under a soultion for a problem that doesn't exist. It may seem that way for you because you personally live off Sheppard and regularly commute in this manner, but it doesn't serve a greater good nor purpose.
Does that matter for a community group? What we put out depends on what resources we have.
You want to have the Sheppard Subway extended through Agincourt (a heavily populated Chinese neighbourhood). You mean you won't even put a flyer in Mandarin or Cantonese?
Can you name ONE destination that will be faster by subway than by GO, or GO + a transfer to subway at Kipling?
Didn't think so.
Honestly, of all subway proposals, this one is a solution in desperate search of a problem.
um, anyone who actually wants to travel along the corridor will find it useful. Let's see, anyone who lives west of MCC, anyone who lives at MCC, Central Pkwy, Cawthra, Tomken, Dixie and wants to travel to Sherway, Kipling, Islington, Dufferin, etc will find that one ride more useful and faster than trekking all the way to a GO station and schlepping to Kipling and then transferring there (and they still wouldn't be able to reach Sherway quickly).
So yeah there's no demand at all if all you want to do is reach Union quickly. Clearly, GO ridership and MT/TTC ridership are completely different.
There's not enough demand. You'd be surprised just how heavily the lack of fare integration of minimal rush-hour only headways plays into the reason why so many Mississaugans are bussed into Islington. Remove those obstacles and watch the ridership of one method grow and the other collapse. Instead of folk crowding onto the 9 or 10 buses bound for SQ1, they'd board REX commuter rail from within Streetsville and Meadowvale and save on travel time. Likewise everyone at South Commons whom use the 26 bus to connect to SQ1 and utlimately Toronto, would just get off at Creditview, board the train and be downtown in less than 40 minutes. The relevancy and reliance on CCTT goes way down as other solutions become available. Like I said earlier no 905er wants to sit through agonizing stops at Old Mill, Runnymede and Christie. Over 85% are likely bound for the YUS loop.