denfromoakvillemilton
Senior Member
Fine.Yes.
What's complaining about a line under construction going to solve?
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Fine.Yes.
What's complaining about a line under construction going to solve?
John Tory made it an election issue. Karen Stintz made it an election issue. David Soknacki made it an election issue.
Anyways ECLRT is being built and it's not fully grade separated east of Leaside, so you guys will just have to live with it.
I think the left turn prohibitions and transit priority will be in place. Don't think there will be barriers beyond the platforms, but is it really necessary along the entire route in any case?
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The scepticism and critics on the LRT projects are due to what people have observed from the Spadina and St.Clair routes which at times are frustratingly slow due to the lack of transit priority signals and left turn restriction. They rightfully doubt that the LRT will be any different.
Hopefully you're right about the LRT having those enhancements. I think having barriers is worth it due to the initial investment (billions of dollars). If collisions which causes delays can be avoided and the LRT can constantly operate at full speed, then it's worth the investment which will convince people that subways are not the only solution.
Those lines (Sheppard, Finch, Eglinton East) needs to be *true* rapid transit lines worthy of being added to the subway maps which is what this city truly lacks. All I'm saying is "let's do it right" and the fact that Metrolinx seems to lean towards that objective. Even you can understand that when it was Miller and Giambrone running the show, it seemed that "rapid" was secondary to "cute European transit"
Yes.
What's complaining about a line under construction going to solve?
My personal favourite from the Toronto Transit Ideas Greatest Hits album is "North York Relief Line". Such a classic! It's catchy, but at the same time incredibly annoying.
It helps people who want to feel bad about the city they live in and practice the most popular sport in Toronto: trashing the transit system & current transit plans.
I hope you never go on twitter!![]()
It depends on whether the Yonge subway's extended beyond Finch. The longer the line's extended up north, the less incentive for people on Finch Ave. E. to bus to Finch station - and the more likely they'll gravitate towards the RT on Sheppard (be it LRT or subway).Maybe this is for a reason. LRT ridership partly depends on whether it serves locals only, or adds people who take a short bus ride to LRT instead of a longer but more direct bus ride.
Say, will someone boarding at Finch and Brimley and wishing to get onto the Yonge subway, take a long bus ride straight to Yonge, or take a short bus ride to LRT to Sheppard subway to Yonge?
Since both options are somewhat reasonable, it is hard to predict in advance what the majority of riders will actually do.
[*]When the underground portion is over 10km long, over 50% of the entire length, costs over $4B, and it would cost less than 10% extra to make it fully grade-separated, then it does not make sense.
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10% extra cost to make fully grade separated? Where did you get that number?
Current cost of ECLRT: $5.3 billion. Source: http://www.thecrosstown.ca/the-project/fact-sheets/eglinton-crosstown
Extra cost of burying the east surface portion: $1.9 billion. Source: http://transit.toronto.on.ca/streetcar/4124.shtml
1.9/5.3 billion = 35% increase in costs.
Anyways ECLRT is being built and it's not fully grade separated east of Leaside, so you guys will just have to live with it.
Other than extra buses, she has said far too little...
No you're the one talking about how because Olivia didn't support the DRL 25 years she doesn't support it now.