[Towered]

That’s no reason for government to tell us what we can cook with. Imagine if that was a determinant of government policy.. If I want to cook with gas, noxious fumes and all, myob. If this is a climate change thing, then the millions of gas furnaces in Canadian homes is the bigger issue than the occasional house with a gas cooker.

Well that's why I said perhaps - my lone opinion shouldn't dictate policy (though I admit if I were a dictator with absolute power I would probably impose a ban )

I'm not particularly passionate about this issue. All I'm saying is that I'd be totally fine with it if they did get banned. If not, I'm kind of ok with that too.

 

[afransen]

 

[Lennox970]

I prefer gas stoves, hands down. I am currently on an induction hob under sufferance but will shortly be replacing with gas. Easier to cook and not an air quality issue with an extractor hood. Simples.

 

[DreamyCloud]

I also prefer gas stoves for my own home. But if I were to rent or the company will provide me with a place to stay, I would prefer electric as compared to gas for cooking.

 

[wopchop]

Working in a kitchen with a gas stove and coming home to an electric stove, is like working with high speed internet and coming home to dial-up. Gas stoves are so much better to cook with and are built like tanks, they last for ever. My parents gas stove has been working 20 plus years. I got a new electric stove a couple years ago, the last one i had only lasted 6 years, the repair bill would have been almost as much as a new stove. I thought about getting an Induction stove, they are better than eltrictic and a lot safer than gas, but they are expensive and requires induction-capable pots/pans. Most of my pots and pans won't work on a induction cook top, so i went with electric. I use my propane barbecue with side burners year round too. So if i need a hot heat for grilling or sauteing, i will use that.

Modern electric stoves are pieces of crap. You are lucky if a modern stove lasts 5 years.
I'll keep my gas, thanks.

 

[lenaitch]

I am dreaming of being back in Québec, where tenants have to buy their own large appliances, so I can get what I want - in this particular case an induction range.

Back at the Residences of College Park, the stove (as in many apartments, including condos, in this city) was on 208 volts, and I actually bought an induction plate because I got sick and tired of having my steaks boil in their own juices. Fortunately, at Manulife, it's full voltage and even a ceramic cooktop is tolerable.

Is it common in Quebec for kitchens to be plumbed for gas and 220v electric?

With 208v, a typical stove would be about 25% de-rated, so operate the same, but slower.

 

[mburrrrr]

Maybe the USA should start by banning direct fired (ventless!) natural gas fireplaces first. They are illegal in Canada. I couldn’t believe my brand new multi residential unit in Pennsylvania had one 25 years ago. The unit also had a DHW tank heater that fed the fan coil unit too. Only in the good old USA.

 

[lenaitch]

stoves are on 240 volts.

Depends on your supply service. Detached residential is single phase 240v; large building such as apartments and condos are 3-phase 'wye' and phase-to-phase voltage is 208. If you are getting 240 volts from 3-phase in Ontario, the building has a transformer.

Any stove will work on 208 volts, albeit a little slower. Most are tagged as '240v/208v'.

 

[Mount Dennis Resident]

Most homes in North America operate on 100-127 volts, whereas the UK and many other countries use between 220 and 240 volts. The lower voltage in North America means that electric kettles would not heat water as quickly as they do in the UK. Your typical North American electric kettle is—ballpark—twice as slow as a European kettle. Your standard North American sockets (120V) provide half the voltage but not double the amperage, so they're half as powerful.

Most electric stoves and electric domestic hot water tanks in North America are between 220 and 240 volts, however.

 

[lenaitch]

Most homes in North America operate on 100-127 volts, whereas the UK and many other countries use between 220 and 240 volts. The lower voltage in North America means that electric kettles would not heat water as quickly as they do in the UK. Your typical North American electric kettle is—ballpark—twice as slow as a European kettle. Your standard North American sockets (120V) provide half the voltage but not double the amperage, so they're half as powerful.

Most electric stoves and electric domestic hot water tanks in North America are between 220 and 240 volts, however.

Isn't it strange that if I type a search string asking 'is an electric kettle in Europe faster that in Canada' I get the same answer. Word. For. Word.

The basic premise is correct; but it depends on the designed wattage rating of the device. Wattage meaning energy transferred (in this case, electrical to heat), which is governed by both the available voltage in the system it is attached to plus the amount of current (amperes) it is designed to draw. For want of a better analogy, current is drawn by the load, not pushed; voltage is pushed.

A typical new house in Ontario has an electrical service limited to 200 amps. Provided the properly cabling, etc.it would be theoretically possible to have a 200 amp kettle or water heater. Very fast, very impractical.

Resistive loads - devices that transfer energy by heating up, can handle a range of voltages within design limits, they will just be more or less efficient about it.

 

[gabe]

Bans are starting to happen.

Montreal to ban use of propane, natural gas, heating oil in new buildings

The plan is part of the city's efforts to make its buildings emissions free by the year 2040.

montrealgazette.com

Falling 'dominoes': Nanaimo latest B.C. municipality to ban natural gas heating in new homes

The bans are controversial, with some saying they reduce resilience in an emergency, and others arguing they reduce municipal emissions.

vancouversun.com

New York is the first state in the country to ban natural gas and other fossil fuels in most new buildings –

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/03/us/new-york-natural-gas-ban-climate/index.html

Chicago Begins Initiative to Ban Natural Gas Stoves in New Buildings Citing Climate Effects | The Loyola Phoenix

Alderwoman of the 49th Ward Maria Hadden introduced The Clean and Affordable Buildings Ordinance Jan. 24 which aims to mitigate carbon emissions by implementing emission standards on new buildings. Natural gas stoves would fail to meet the standards, banning them from future construction projects.

loyolaphoenix.com

 

[xy3]

That’s no reason for government to tell us what we can cook with. Imagine if that was a determinant of government policy.. If I want to cook with gas, noxious fumes and all, myob. If this is a climate change thing, then the millions of gas furnaces in Canadian homes is the bigger issue than the occasional house with a gas cooker.

I completely agree.

Removing gas lines /the option for gas cooktops from buildings, would instantly take $60,000 or more off the value of a condo.

The fact Im seeing new condos with electric stoves being marketed as 'luxury' is laughable. I have no issue with affordable units with induction/electric but labeling student quality units as luxury is nauseating.

I currently cook on electric but hate it. I eventually want to move to a condo like 1900 bayview with the option for a gas stove. Of course, proper ventilation is key and you should always cook with the ventilation hood turned on.

I cant help but notice the hypocrisy of the government is using cigarettes/e-cigs/vape pens as a tax cash cow yet fearmongering about gas stoves. It's very tellung.

For people who are serious cooks but have concerns regarding asthma etc, the best of all worlds for cooking would be eventual retrofitting natural gas stove for hydrogen fuel. Fingers crossed natural gas infrastructure is not banned so that the free market can develop clean hydrogen gas cooking .

 

[afransen]

I cant help but notice the hypocrisy of the government is using cigarettes/e-cigs/vape pens as a tax cash cow yet fearmongering about gas stoves. It's very tellung.

This is not accurate. If they were using it as a cash cow, they would allow advertising. They are trying to discourage use without creating a black market.

For people who are serious cooks but have concerns regarding asthma etc, the best of all worlds for cooking would be eventual retrofitting natural gas stove for hydrogen fuel.

Hydrogen does not burn cleanly. More cleanly than gas, but it still produces NOx and NO2.

https://www.energy.gov/eere/fuelcells/does-use-hydrogen-produce-air-pollutants-such-nitrogen-oxides#:~:text=Any%20type%20of%20high%2Dtemperature,)%2C%20both%20hazardous%20air%20pollutants.

 

[xy3]

This is not accurate. If they were using it as a cash cow, they would allow advertising. They are trying to discourage use without creating a black market.



Hydrogen does not burn cleanly. More cleanly than gas, but it still produces NOx and NO2.

https://www.energy.gov/eere/fuelcells/does-use-hydrogen-produce-air-pollutants-such-nitrogen-oxides#:~:text=Any%20type%20of%20high%2Dtemperature,)%2C%20both%20hazardous%20air%20pollutants.

Regardless, using a gas stove as instructed with a proper range hood ventilation is still exponentially safer than vaping, smoking or alcohol consumption.

Id also bet money that its exponentially more dangerous breathing in gasoline fumes as the driver or passenger in an internal combustion engine vehicle than using a gas stove properly.

The jury is still out on the long term effects of electromagnetic radiation of induction cooking or electric vehicles.
Although I should mention I personally prefer electric vehicles to gas and I take transit, so Im far from some right wing reactionary ... Im just not a fan of government mandates & intervention in the free market

 

[afransen]

The jury is still out on the long term effects of electromagnetic radiation of induction cooking or electric vehicles.