sixrings
Senior Member
This Tory guy got elected because he promised cheap transit and low taxes. Maybe we should have voted chow
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Palma
Senior Member
the difference with subway like boarding with subways and GO trains is the amount of people that get killed with GO being its the same level as passengers to get into. I cannot believe there are not lawsuits against GO/Metrolinx
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Guest
It's through no fault of GO's that they get killed as unfortunate as the situation is. Pedestrians and vehicles are not supposed cross tracks especially when there are on coming trains, as far as I can recall, it's been the case that this has been ignored for every death that's occurred.
And you are greatly exaggerating the actual number of casualties.
BurlOak
Senior Member
Here's a strategy for John Tory:
Announce that since Go has decided to built several stations in Toronto, the SmartTrack plan is no longer needed since the essence of the plan will be implemented by GO. This frees up the $2.6B that Harper gave for SmartTrack, plus the TIF money from the City (as small as it is). Now there would be plenty of money for the Scarborough "subway" (or similar project), plus the Eglinton East LRT, plus the DRL.
Announce that since Go has decided to built several stations in Toronto, the SmartTrack plan is no longer needed since the essence of the plan will be implemented by GO. This frees up the $2.6B that Harper gave for SmartTrack, plus the TIF money from the City (as small as it is). Now there would be plenty of money for the Scarborough "subway" (or similar project), plus the Eglinton East LRT, plus the DRL.
Palma
Senior Member
there have been at least 4 for 2016 alone. Thats exaggerating? On Jan 12 near Port Credit station, on April 13, east of Union Station on Lakeshore East line, May 12 on Richmond Hill line, June 20 on Lakeshore West line at Exhibition
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Steve X
Senior Member
Are you suggesting idiots crossing the track unsafely should sue cause they didn't built some sort of grade separation? Maybe all LRT system with at-grade crossing should have people suing cause they have very frequent trains crossing. We should also outlaw the construction of LRTs like the ION cause it's unsafe and spend another $1B to ensure there isn't any danger to anyone.
Only four. So how did these ill-fated folks die? Do we need to install PSDs too? As long as GO/Metrolinx is inline with the rest of the world, a lawsuit won't get anywhere. Spending a lot of money to save a few lives does not justify but spending to avoid major delays at frequent trouble spots do justify.
rbt
Senior Member
No. Tory's transit policies are pretty sad but Chow wasn't a better choice; just a different cluster-fuck.
Palma
Senior Member
well Via is also surface and I sure do not hear about so many people getting killed
Steve X
Senior Member
There is a lot less VIA trips than GO trains. Plus VIA trains are much shorter making them easier to stop in time.
Some people are just stupid, they walk on tracks and take shortcuts. I'm sure a VIA train would have killed them too if they were there. 4 is not so many. I care less that only 4 people died. If 50 people are dying every year, we should probably care more. Honestly, some of these people deserve to die thanks to their stupid actions. The court would have thrown their lawsuit out immediately.
On June 20th: http://globalnews.ca/news/2773342/delays-on-lakeshore-west-go-line-after-person-struck-by-train/
It says he was killed near the tarcks at 130 The Queensway. That's no where near any station nor any crossings. He must have climb up to the tracks. Any train would had killed him but it just happens that GO trains a more frequent in the daytime than VIA and freight trains. So stop you bias against GO, they aren't doing things wrong instead people are just stupid.
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
From twitter:
Jennifer Pagliaro Verified account @jpags 60m60 minutes ago
Tory: "SmartTrack is on track." Estimated $3.2B in capital dollars needed to build in addition to provincial plans completely unfunded
Jennifer Pagliaro Verified account @jpags 1h1 hour ago
Tory here for provincial announcement on Dufferin bridge widening and Railpath extension. SmartTrack sign also here
https://twitter.com/jpags/status/764098934348406785
Oh look, Smarttrack now in Metrolinx branding! I wonder where that 3.2B is coming from - service cuts, perhaps?
AoD
Jennifer Pagliaro Verified account @jpags 60m60 minutes ago
Tory: "SmartTrack is on track." Estimated $3.2B in capital dollars needed to build in addition to provincial plans completely unfunded
Jennifer Pagliaro Verified account @jpags 1h1 hour ago
Tory here for provincial announcement on Dufferin bridge widening and Railpath extension. SmartTrack sign also here
https://twitter.com/jpags/status/764098934348406785
Oh look, Smarttrack now in Metrolinx branding! I wonder where that 3.2B is coming from - service cuts, perhaps?
AoD
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M II A II R II K
Senior Member
So SmartTrack is basically a specialized GO route with TTC fares. No SmartTrack rolling stock or separate SmartTrack platforms.
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
Considering how much have changed with regards to what it is, can one even assume it will be TTC fare? And the city is basically reduced to having to cut funding to TTC to fund this thing - this thing that necessitated a 4B one stop subway.
AoD
TheTigerMaster
Superstar
From twitter:
Jennifer Pagliaro Verified account @jpags 60m60 minutes ago
Tory: "SmartTrack is on track." Estimated $3.2B in capital dollars needed to build in addition to provincial plans completely unfunded
Jennifer Pagliaro Verified account @jpags 1h1 hour ago
Tory here for provincial announcement on Dufferin bridge widening and Railpath extension. SmartTrack sign also here
https://twitter.com/jpags/status/764098934348406785
Oh look, Smarttrack now in Metrolinx branding! I wonder where that 3.2B is coming from - service cuts, perhaps?
AoD
$3.2 BILLION!?!? Where did $3.2 Billion come from? I thought SmartTrack was supposed to cost the city $700 Million to cover costs beyond the provincial plans.
44 North
Senior Member
Meh. If anything should be SmartTrack'd it should be Lakeshore East + West, as it was planned to be for decades. Once that's planned and prioritized, spread the SmartTrackedness to other lines.
And now that I see a more official SmartTrack logo, I'm beginning to wonder whether they'll be able to carry on with that name. From early google searches when Tory's suspect concept came out it was apparent that "SmartTrack" is already a registered name for a lighting system. From the website: Smart-Track® systems are cost effective solutions that are easy to lay out, install, and maintain. Hmm. Sounds familiar.
steveintoronto
Superstar
Wow...this becomes Theatre of the Absurd. Tory sure likes to spend money when there's none to be spent. Don't get me wrong, the *concept* has a lot of merit, but the implementation is by Baron von Munchausen.
AoD's observation is snide, but exactly right. Who 'owns' this anyway? And if Metrolinx are slowly 'acquiring it'...then why does the city's share keep rising in multiples?
This announcement asks more questions than it gives answers to.
Instead of crystallizing, this becomes more nebulous. My faith in ever seeing this come to pass is diminishing every time an announcement is made.
Here's a concept: The City builds the stations, RER stops at them. Keep it nice and simple, and the HalfSmart stations can be much more utilitarian.
What I can't possibly see, at least until GO and TTC base fares on the same parameters, is the present TTC fare covering NotSoSmart costs. It has to be based on distance, albeit with Presto, that does become much more possible.