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robmausser said:
The last part is the important part. It needs to be more transparent. And there needs to be regulation so Metrolinx cant go and say "oh this project is now costing $500 million for a station, we need to cancel it" when its actually $200 million for the station and $300 million for other things. Its downright lying.
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But whose initiative was it to rebuild the roads? If it was the city's, then the city should pay for it, one way or another. Perhaps Metrolinx was transparent with the city, but the city "forgot" to add this info on these reports to the executive committee?
 
thats what you get when you sit on a proposal and drown in studies for a decade. whatever was budgetted for sure will be insufficient simply due to inflation. the 2022 inflation crisis certainly didnt help.
the moral of the story along with whats down south of the border is to act swiftly instead of deferring via bureaucracy and red tape. but of course politicians will never learn.
 
The words "move quickly" are fundamentally antithetical to how the City of Toronto operates. I mean look at literally any infrastructure project delivered by the city in the last decade - St Lawrence Market North - 1999 initiation, 2025 completion. John St Revitalization - 2007 initiation, 2029 (?) completion. Gardiner Rehabilitation - 2013 initiation, 2031+ completion. "Housing Now" took 5+ years to see a shovel hit the dirt. How long has the city been "progressing" the design of the waterfront west streetcar again?

There is just no such thing as actually doing things in reasonable timeframes - in this case, SmartTrack is on year 9 of design and is still not under construction.
 
The St Clair Transportation Master Plan comes out to ~$215M, not including the station and it's funding is linked to the new station program. It includes an extension of Davenport Rd, Union St, Gunns Rd, and Keele St. It's already been extensively studied, the city really wants to get it over with as it's a pinch point for vehicular traffic as well.

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Jaye101 said:
The St Clair Transportation Master Plan comes out to ~$215M, not including the station and it's funding is linked to the new station program. It includes an extension of Davenport Rd, Union St, Gunns Rd, and Keele St. It's already been extensively studied, the city really wants to get it over with as it's a pinch point for vehicular traffic as well.
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It’s one thing to pick and choose stations based on cost vs ridership return but if King Liberty got dropped merely because the city couldn’t admit it was going to have to invent a budget line to build roads in midtown, folks in that area might justifiably be ticked about that
 
urbancog said:
Until the Ontario Line station opens at Exhibition anyways.
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Ontario Line Station will definitely help the area, but its a bit south of where a lot of people live.

The combo of Ontario Line and then King Liberty station was going to really increase transit walkability to the whole area.
 
I know this is way out in the future, but for the sake of not adding another station onto the Kitchener line within Toronto, would St Clair-Old Weston not be better served by a future westward extension of the Ontario line? I can definitely see the line running back up to Stockyard.

EDIT: I didn't create this map. It's from Reddit. Just Googled "westward expansion, Ontario line" and got this.

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Bojaxs said:
I know this is way out in the future, but for the sake of not adding another station onto the Kitchener line within Toronto, would St Clair-Old Weston not be better served by a future westward extension of the Ontario line? I can definitely see the line running back up to Stockyard.

EDIT: I didn't create this map. It's from Reddit. Just Googled "westward expansion, Ontario line" and got this.

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I think that the Ontario Line would be better to go up Dufferin. Its already the highest ridership bus route that is not planned to get higher order transit.

It will be a bit of a sharp turn at the Ex, but its doable.

Im not really in favour in mirroring regional rail lines with other modes of transit. With proper signaling, EMU's etc, you can just as easily convert the regional system to have more local transit. And you are not dedicating 2 tracks to the subway system, which means instead of say 3 regional rail tracks and two subway tracks, you have 5 regional rail tracks, which allows for more optimization of regional services along all 5 tracks.
 
robmausser said:
Ontario Line Station will definitely help the area, but its a bit south of where a lot of people live.

The combo of Ontario Line and then King Liberty station was going to really increase transit walkability to the whole area.
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Not just south but also not west enough. It's in Liberty... not Parkdale. It's a 40-minute walk from me and I'm in Parkdale.
 
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robmausser said:
I think that the Ontario Line would be better to go up Dufferin. Its already the highest ridership bus route that is not planned to get higher order transit.

It will be a bit of a sharp turn at the Ex, but its doable.

Im not really in favour in mirroring regional rail lines with other modes of transit. With proper signaling, EMU's etc, you can just as easily convert the regional system to have more local transit. And you are not dedicating 2 tracks to the subway system, which means instead of say 3 regional rail tracks and two subway tracks, you have 5 regional rail tracks, which allows for more optimization of regional services along all 5 tracks.
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That still excludes Parkdale, an area in dire need of transit.
 
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