I'm kind of sad that I only stumbled upon this thread now, because I'm a bit of a grocery industry geek.
jonny5 said:
Has anyone else noticed an overall decline in quality, selection and service at the grocery stores in the city? Constantly unstocked shelves (especially for sale items), rude or incompetent staff, long checkout lines, dirty stores and terrible layouts are the norm, not the exception. Brand selections are also very limited, often with stores carrying only their house brand and one other. Sometimes the problems are specific to a department.
It's intersting that you started a thread about it, because I read an incredibly long and interesting article in the Globe about it a while back.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/serv...ry/specialROBmagazine/home/?pageRequested=all
Here's the most interesting chunk:
Aspiring to operate as efficiently as Wal-Mart, Loblaw decided to consolidate its distribution centres between 2004 and late 2006, resulting in a net reduction from 32 facilities to 26. And, at the same time that it was shutting old warehouses and opening new ones, it was also preparing to centralize its entire head office staff in a new building in Brampton, Ontario.
That's when things went south. "What we tried to do was put [four divisions] into one over a two-year period," says Galen Weston Sr., 66, who has stepped down as Loblaw chairman but continues as chairman and president at the parent company, George Weston Ltd. "We badly underestimated the complexity of that, and we're paying the price today."
Some 2,000 employees moved to Brampton from a number of offices in Ontario and Alberta in the fall of 2005. But only about half of the 150 general merchandise buyers, who had been based in Calgary, made the move. The others quit.
Buyers have a key role at a retailer, representing a large part of its intellectual capital. The loss of so many experienced hands left a huge hole at Loblaw. Even the buyers who did make the move to Ontario were distracted as they put down roots, finding homes and settling their families. The result was often chaos. Many suppliers couldn't even figure out who was calling the shots. "The guy that was buying last week isn't buying this week and may not be buying next week," one vendor, who asked not to be named, said at the time. "It's been very difficult."
The head-office confusion was matched in the field. One supplier shipped tens of thousands of dollars' worth of general merchandise to Loblaw's Calgary warehouse in the summer of 2005—only to have the shipment refused. The boxes sat for three or four months in containers in the warehouse's yard before making their way inside, the supplier says. Only then was he finally paid.
Another vendor sent $15,000 worth of seasonal merchandise to a Loblaw warehouse in September, 2005. The goods didn't make it to stores before December. "By then, the season was already gone," says the supplier. Result: markdown. The supplier says he had to wait 10 months before being paid, and is still short $5,000. Other seasonally sensitive merchandise, such as Christmas decorations, also had to be liquidated shortly after getting on the shelves that season.
By January of last year, president John Lederer acknowledged that he had mishandled the reorganization of the supply system, causing a significant hit to the bottom line. "It has to be said that probably we—I—went a little bit too fast. And, obviously, you learn from that." A few weeks later, Lederer went even further. "When you begin to take things for granted that you can just execute, you become a little bit careless. And so we are no longer careless."
But a snowball effect was taking hold. Because products weren't getting to the stores on time, Loblaw pared down its marketing. Fewer promotions meant fewer shoppers. And there were other, indirect costs. Stores scheduled crews to un*pack boxes that never arrived. Suppliers shipped straight to stores rather than to warehouses, racking up extra labour and transportation costs for Loblaw. One store manager describes his staff receiving new shipments from the company warehouse this way: "It's a little bit of a surprise sometimes when they open the trailers and find out what they're getting." While stores were sometimes short-shipped, warehouses in Western Canada were so jammed that Loblaw had to rent more space.
"A lost sale is one thing," says a vendor of Loblaw's disorganization. "But even in your transportation network, you're sending out trailers that are not full, which is not an efficient situation. You lose on both sides. You don't make your margins, and it's going to cost you money because the trailer is going in with 900 cases—that's not as good as a trailer going at capacity with 1,200 cases." And even while Loblaw was having trouble making its shipments on time last fall, it clamped down on suppliers, warning they would be fined $1,000 for each late delivery. "Loblaw would like to look at this not as a revenue producer, but it will turn out to be that," says a supplier.
Anyway, catching up with the thread, I have a few comments:
299 bloor call control. said:
Loblaw Markets are too big-box-in-an-urban-setting, and Superstores are just.. .horrible.
At least Dominion and Sobeys have done a decent job adapting their urban stores to its surroundings.
That's actually a really good point. When contrasting our supermarkets with the industry in UK, pretty much all of the chains have made attempts at a small format downtown store, with great success. Now, granted, they obviously have many more dense settings than we do, but it's nonetheless an untapped opportunity for Loblaws. They don't seem to be building any more Valumarts, and as 299 said, they are seen as a bit dumpy. Meanwhile, Dominion and Sobeys own the pedestrian friendly downtown store market in Toronto. The closest chain grocery to where I live is the Dominion on Gould. Second is the Dominion at College Park. Third is the Sobeys Express on Yonge. Fourth? Dominion at Market Square. I absolutely hate and despise Dominion but I end up going all the time because It's literally 2 minutes away. I see it as a large, gourmet convenience store. Open 24 hours, with markup that never ceases to shock me. I suppose I wouldn't mind the prices if the store offered me something of value. Nope. And don't get me started on Equality and Master Choice - terrible. And it seems that they've made a conscious decision not to compete with Loblaws or Sobeys on organics. Shoppers Drug Mart has a better organics selection than Dominion.
skeezix said:
Shopping at Loblaws has become so boring. There is nothing new and few interesting products. They totally lost sight of the food aspect of their operations, and they stopped differentiating themselves from their competitors.
It's interesting that you say that because I don't find their competition especially inspiring. Yes, the Big Carrot is somewhat interesting, but the store brands at Dominion are atrociously boring, much worse than President's Choice. But then, I suppose I'm fairly cheap, and I don't really shop for excitement.
foodwatcher said:
The amusing thing is that often President's Choice, Compliments and Master Choice are made by the exact same company and are more often than not basically the same product. The same would apply to No Name, Compliments Vaue and Equality.
Yes, but none of these brands taste the same. Obviously, those controlling the brands have some say over what goes into their food. One example: frozen concentrated orange juice. It's one of the things that I consume in copious amounts. To my well developed tastes
P) Master Choice is barely tolerable, but President's Choice is a fiesta of flavour, even better than Minute Maid.
mustapha said:
The T&T is great - the one on Cherry street.
It certainly sounds interesting but I won't be shopping there. I biked by it recently and it struck me how suburban and inappropriate it was. How did it get zoning approval? This is not where a city of Toronto's stature puts it's food retail, one of the most vital functions of a city. How did this get approved?
Northern Light said:
Just found out that the massive Loblaws re-org for Toronto begins later this month.
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Also, more organics, more gourmet offerings, more meals-on-the-go type stuff and a few notable operations changes.
Woohoo! Organics + mainstream = awesome. One of the happiest moments I ever had in a grocery store was when I picked up a bag of PC nachos at the St. Jamestown No Frills and saw the word organic on the bag in
small print. The meals-to-go selection must be an attempt to neutralize Sobeys before they get too big in Ontario.
Admiral Beez said:
You know, I have to retract my earlier statement. My wife and I needed some groceries this morning after dropping off the kids at Winchester Public School, and she said let's go to No Frills. Turns out she shops there all the time. So, I went in, and was very pleased with the super clean and polished floors, quality of produce and products and overall cleanliness. So, there you have it, the Admiral was wrong....yes...again, I know.
Yeah, No Frills is an incredibly interesting place. It's a multicultural collage of bargain seekers. Especially the Cabbagetown one! Where Ryerson students, Cabbagetown snobs, and hardworking families from Regent Park come to get their PC Decadent cookies. I usually have the choice between the St. Jamestown store and the Cabbagetown one, and I usually go for the former because of the larger selection, shorter lines, and the smaller chance that things will be out of stock.
But I've definitely seen my share of No Frills in the short time I've been shopping for myself.
Casselman - The store that introduced me to the concept of No Frills; situated at the heart of a stagnant small town in Eastern Ontario, housed in a building built long before No Frills came to town. I can tell because it's very sensitive to the small-town main-street setting.
Picton - Gigantic Superstore-sized No Frills
outside the edge of town, built recently on literally a greenfield. Absolutely crammed with people when I went, and will certainly have a detrimental effect on Picton's beautiful smalltown core.
Guelph - Harvard & Gordon - Large, car oriented, strip mall, with its back turned to arguably it's largest customer base - 3500+ students in residence at the University of Guelph, all of which travel to No Frills on foot, either by taking the long way and navigating the cars in the parking lot, or by rappelling down a grass slope and sneaking through a small alley beside the loading docks. The store itself is large, bright, and carries more organics than usual to serve Guelph's hippie population.
Guelph - Willow West Mall - Along with Zellers, anchoring a dead mall. The store itself is bustling as usual, but outside of that, crickets. There was a one point a price war between two of the dollar stores in the mall; one of them down to 95 cents. Most of the time I was using the store, it was under construction, and someone allowed the frozen juices to melt and refreeze. Sold at full price. I didn't mind.
Toronto -
Dundas W and Landsdowne - A big corrugated steel box with an even bigger parking lot. Easily the biggest, airiest No Frills I've ever been to. Gigantic selection, clean, and huge. It has quite a bit of prime storefront on Landsdowne, but chooses to put a blank wall there, forcing it's pedestrians to walk through a shady alleyway.
Sherbourne at St. Jamestown - My current haunt, fairly good, roomy, but it isn't unusual to have things out of stock.
Cabbagetown on Parliament - Small, crowded, angry staff, poor selection, but still an interesting experience. A model of supermarket design as far as street orientation goes.
Carlaw and Gerrard - Big and Airy, similar to Landsdowne, but absolutely not appropriate. To get there you have to mount a literal desert of asphalt.
Ottawa - It's interesting that there are no No Frills in Ottawa. Perhaps they decided not to go up against Giant Tiger? Food Basics seems to be trying, but Giant Tiger is king, and they're expanding westward. They've got a store in Scarborough. Anyone been there?
For the uninitiated, Giant Tiger is kind of cross between Walmart and a dollar store. It's mostly an Eastern Ontario thing, but they've got big dreams. It was a big part of my childhood.