thettctransitfanatic
Senior Member
So long, partner. Aka Bombardier. Alstom would have to do it. And for good reason, as we don't really want a mismanaged company dealing with our vehicles anymore.
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So long, partner. Aka Bombardier. Alstom would have to do it. And for good reason, as we don't really want a mismanaged company dealing with our vehicles anymore.
MisterF
Senior Member
So we cancel all rail vehicle purchases forever then? Because that's what would happen if we refuse to order from companies that have management and quality issues. This happens with every manufacturer. Bombardier is no better or worse than the rest.
nephersir7
Active Member
According to this european article, it's very likely that Bombardier will outright sell all its rail activities to Alstom (rather than merge as an equal partner).
Quebec's public pension fund, which currently owns 30% of Bombardier Transport would become a top shareholder of Alstom (10%).
bfmbusiness.bfmtv.com
Quebec's public pension fund, which currently owns 30% of Bombardier Transport would become a top shareholder of Alstom (10%).
Le projet d’Alstom pour racheter à Bombardier ses activités ferroviaires
Le groupe français discute avec son rival canadien en vue de créer un géant du rail. Une transaction largement à l’avantage d’Alstom et de son PDG, Henri Poupart-Lafarge, qui conserverait la tête du nouvel ensemble. Un conseil d’administration est prévu mardi.
bfmbusiness.bfmtv.com
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Amare
Senior Member
Bombardier is a joke. So they want to sell their cash making division (one which they screwed up so badly that it's now struggling), and hold onto Aerospace (the one that caused the company to bleed to much money in the first place)?
At this rate I expect the company to go fully bankrupt in ~10 years. A case study should be written up as to how to avoid a legendary bankruptcy caused by tremendous mismanagement by C-level executives.
At this rate I expect the company to go fully bankrupt in ~10 years. A case study should be written up as to how to avoid a legendary bankruptcy caused by tremendous mismanagement by C-level executives.
smallspy
Senior Member
In fairness...
While the Aerospace Division as a whole has not done well, their Aerospace Structures sub-division is performing extremely well, and seems to be really holding the rest of that division up. It sounds like they want to keep it, even as they spin off the other portions of Aerospace.
Dan
Amare
Senior Member
^They'll probably find a way to screwup that sub-division as well. At this rate I wouldn't put anything out of the realm of possibility for that company.
If someone told me 10 years ago that Bombardier would screw up their Transportation division so badly to the point their thinking about selling it because they're having trouble turning it around, I would've thought that person was delusional.
If someone told me 10 years ago that Bombardier would screw up their Transportation division so badly to the point their thinking about selling it because they're having trouble turning it around, I would've thought that person was delusional.
drum118
Superstar
That what take place today in the real world for everything. Contractors don't hire various sub trades for those reasons even if that trade is low bidder. Major retailers will drop suppliers for the same thing.
Transit systems have done this time after time and one reason Orion doesn't exist anymore along with other companies.
I have been calling for the replacement of BBD since 2014 and they have lived up to my expectations since 2005.
DKB
New Member
Bahn im Streit mit Bombardier: Neue Züge machen Techniker fassungslos - WELT
Die Bahn hat große Pläne für den Fernverkehr, wird aber unter anderem vom Zulieferer ausgebremst: Das Betriebssystem der Intercityzüge braucht eine Stunde zum Hochfahren. Es ist nicht das erste Mal, dass Bombardier durch Qualitätsmängel auffällt.
Deutsche Bahn bought trains from bombardier and can't use them!
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kEiThZ
Superstar
The Chinese are all set to crush margins for rail manufacturing. I think it's wise for Bombardier to exist that business now. The aerospace division lost money largely because of their boneheadness of running multiple programs at the same time. Everybody talks about the CSeries. That was not the actual disaster. This is what destroyed their cash flow that ate up runway for the CSeries:
Learjet 85 - Wikipedia
Amare
Senior Member
Who could forget about the Learjet project. It was a stupid and unnecessary project spearheded by the bonehead Pierre Beaudoin who loved the guzzle around money like it was no mans business.
daka_x
New Member
There is absolutely no basis for these rumours. The guy who runs the Rail for the Valley blog has questionable links to the rail industry, and is well known here in Metro Van as a spreader of misinformation and a hater of the SkyTrain system.
This is the same person who's been peddling a false claim for years that the ART system and technologies are proprietary. This was extensively addressed earlier this year by both TransLink and Bombardier executives.
SkyTrain technologies, engineering not proprietary: TransLink report (Vancouver Sun)
Vancouver's SkyTrain technology is not proprietary, says Bombardier (Daily Hive guest editorial)
Steve X
Senior Member
That means you could start up a company and build a vehicle for the SkyTrain network. Could is one thing, would is another. Just like how anyone could design/build a train (if they can afford it) doesn't mean they should do it.
Why would Alstom or Siemens want to invest money to design a train compatible with the SkyTrain from scratch while BBD have 30 years of experience and design?
What is the market share for this technology?
Will the bid tender choose a new design with no proven track record over BBD for the technology?
Those articles are just pure political to support that fact that they didn't sole source the contract to BBD and broke law. On the back of out mind, we all know only BBD is in the position of delivering any Innovia trains. So it's not legally proprietary but only one company can build them.
It'll be interesting to see if Alstom dumps the Innovia technology if they acquire BBD. Vancouver might be forced to switch over to conventional rail.
dowlingm
Senior Member
While I can easily believe animus in the case of RFTV, if SRT technology wasn't proprietary wouldn't TTC have considered getting another vendor to build replacements/additional cars for the Mark 1s some years ago, rather than being left with only the option of either giving Translink replacement cost for Mark 1s or buying Mark 2/3 cars and having to resize the tunnel near Ellesmere for the new cars' dynamic envelope...?
smallspy
Senior Member
You can't consider another vendor when no other vendors were willing to respond to your requests.
The fact of the matter is that the TTC's ICTS/ART fleet and network are so small as to not be able to justify the investment required for another company to engineer a replacement. Was it Vancouver, maybe.....
Dan
Allandale25
Senior Member
Bombardier in advanced talks to sell core units as debt woes loom
The outcome will reshape one of Canada’s most storied and troubled industrial manufacturers – either launching it on a new course with its US$9.3-billion debt under control or sending it spiralling into the unknown
www.theglobeandmail.com