AlvinofDiaspar
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So? I won't be shedding a tear even if we have zero public golf courses - any perceived benefit (i.e. the gateway argument) is far, far lower than the public benefit from the displacement by other uses.
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So? I won't be shedding a tear even if we have zero public golf courses - any perceived benefit (i.e. the gateway argument) is far, far lower than the public benefit from the displacement by other uses.
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Northern Light
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Demand is much higher for the latter, which also take up much less space.
For both those reasons, the latter are also much less costly per person, in turn making them more accessible, and driving further demand.
christiesplits
Senior Member
I know there are a lot of seniors in East York. Maybe Bradford, Crawford and Fletcher were getting an earful from their elderly constituents.
W. K. Lis
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Meanwhile...
picard102
Senior Member
Good for you. Not everyone agrees, and the city doesn't exist to solely cater to you.
Northern Light
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Article on this item from CBC:
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
Well, I am not the one b*tching about how we shouldn't have a tiny little park in the middle of a high density area because housing while crying "woe to the public golf course".
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picard102
Senior Member
Imagine different places in the city having different things. Crazy.
If your position is that I should be advocating for housing here as well, in a flood plain, then sure. You got me.
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
You might as well simplify it to - let others carry the weight of what I consider important (i.e. housing), so long as what I want and deem important stays the way it is. Fairly typical yellow-belt thinking.
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picard102
Senior Member
Nah. That's an abstraction you're making on your own. Replacing a golf course with housing would be unfortunate, but vastly better than turning it into a park when it's already an area well serviced by parks.
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
Oh and as rebuttal to that - let's have a look at Deltonia right by Vic Park station:
TRCA Flood Plain:
You literally have a course right by a subway station with a large portion outside the flood plain and developable for high rise, which already exists right next to it. Any questions?
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Northern Light
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Putting aside that you can't build housing in a floodplain......
Which area are we discussing that has an abundance of parks?
The Scaborough South-West area, bounded by St. Clair in the north, the Railway in the South and East, and Victoria Park in the west is largely bereft of conventional parks.
Yes, it has a large green ribbon of natural'ish area; but that doesn't provide soccer fields, baseball diamonds or playgrounds, its not lit at night (nor should it be), and its not generally accessible in winter.
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Downtown is also way short of park space by any reasonable measure. While I would organize net new space differently than PF&R has been; there is no real dispute as to the need for more.
Northern Light
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Just for clarity, the floodplain here does not show the topography well, there is less buildable area than that.
I did a map previously showing was was plausible, there are 2 parcels that are theoretically viable for housing; but the north parcel abuts 1s SFH which would seem to limit its potential w/o further purchases.
The south parcel is actually at the top of a hill; and would involve some challenges in terms of pedestrian/cycling/vehicle access; its also constrained by 10M top-of-bank rules and separation distances; but there is some viable land there.
Though the City will oppose any housing on golf lands; deeming it a precedent issue for other parks.
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Northern Light
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As a side note, I have the meeting live streaming in another tab; the pro-golf set are out in force deputing.
picard102
Senior Member
Adjacent to Dentonia golf course are:
Dentonia Park has a baseball diamond and a soccer field.
Maryland Park has tennis courts and a playground.
Prairie Park has tennis courts.
Leyton Tot Lot has a playground .
Oakridge Park has a soccer field.
Donora Park has a playground.
If the argument is that there needs to be more, there is plenty of space available to add more without necessitating changes to the golf course.