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They Criticized Vista. And They Should Know.

By RANDALL STROSS
Published: March 9, 2008
The New York Times

ONE year after the birth of Windows Vista, why do so many Windows XP users still decline to “upgrade�

Microsoft says high prices have been the deterrent. Last month, the company trimmed prices on retail packages of Vista, trying to entice consumers to overcome their reluctance. In the United States, an XP user can now buy Vista Home Premium for $129.95, instead of $159.95.

An alternative theory, however, is that Vista’s reputation precedes it. XP users have heard too many chilling stories from relatives and friends about Vista upgrades that have gone badly. The graphics chip that couldn’t handle Vista’s whizzy special effects. The long delays as it loaded. The applications that ran at slower speeds. The printers, scanners and other hardware peripherals, which work dandily with XP, that lacked the necessary software, the drivers, to work well with Vista.

Can someone tell me again, why is switching XP for Vista an “upgrade�

Here’s one story of a Vista upgrade early last year that did not go well. Jon, let’s call him, (bear with me — I’ll reveal his full identity later) upgrades two XP machines to Vista. Then he discovers that his printer, regular scanner and film scanner lack Vista drivers. He has to stick with XP on one machine just so he can continue to use the peripherals.

Did Jon simply have bad luck? Apparently not. When another person, Steven, hears about Jon’s woes, he says drivers are missing in every category — “this is the same across the whole ecosystem.â€

Then there’s Mike, who buys a laptop that has a reassuring “Windows Vista Capable†logo affixed. He thinks that he will be able to run Vista in all of its glory, as well as favorite Microsoft programs like Movie Maker. His report: “I personally got burned.†His new laptop — logo or no logo — lacks the necessary graphics chip and can run neither his favorite video-editing software nor anything but a hobbled version of Vista. “I now have a $2,100 e-mail machine,†he says.

It turns out that Mike is clearly not a naïf. He’s Mike Nash, a Microsoft vice president who oversees Windows product management. And Jon, who is dismayed to learn that the drivers he needs don’t exist? That’s Jon A. Shirley, a Microsoft board member and former president and chief operating officer. And Steven, who reports that missing drivers are anything but exceptional, is in a good position to know: he’s Steven Sinofsky, the company’s senior vice president responsible for Windows.

Their remarks come from a stream of internal communications at Microsoft in February 2007, after Vista had been released as a supposedly finished product and customers were paying full retail price. Between the nonexistent drivers and PCs mislabeled as being ready for Vista when they really were not, Vista instantly acquired a reputation at birth: Does Not Play Well With Others.

We usually do not have the opportunity to overhear Microsoft’s most senior executives vent their personal frustrations with Windows. But a lawsuit filed against Microsoft in March 2007 in United States District Court in Seattle has pried loose a packet of internal company documents. The plaintiffs, Dianne Kelley and Kenneth Hansen, bought PCs in late 2006, before Vista’s release, and contend that Microsoft’s “Windows Vista Capable†stickers were misleading when affixed to machines that turned out to be incapable of running the versions of Vista that offered the features Microsoft was marketing as distinctive Vista benefits.

Last month, Judge Marsha A. Pechman granted class-action status to the suit, which is scheduled to go to trial in October. (Microsoft last week appealed the certification decision.)

Anyone who bought a PC that Microsoft labeled “Windows Vista Capable†without also declaring “Premium Capable†is now a party in the suit. The judge also unsealed a cache of 200 e-mail messages and internal reports, covering Microsoft’s discussions of how best to market Vista, beginning in 2005 and extending beyond its introduction in January 2007. The documents incidentally include those accounts of frustrated Vista users in Microsoft’s executive suites.

Today, Microsoft boasts that there are twice as many drivers available for Vista as there were at its introduction, but performance and graphics problems remain. (When I tried last week to contact Mr. Shirley and the others about their most recent experiences with Vista, David Bowermaster, a Microsoft spokesman, said that no one named in the e-mail messages could be made available for comment because of the continuing lawsuit.)

The messages were released in a jumble, but when rearranged into chronological order, they show a tragedy in three acts.

Act 1: In 2005, Microsoft plans to say that only PCs that are properly equipped to handle the heavy graphics demands of Vista are “Vista Ready.â€

Act 2: In early 2006, Microsoft decides to drop the graphics-related hardware requirement in order to avoid hurting Windows XP sales on low-end machines while Vista is readied. (A customer could reasonably conclude that Microsoft is saying, Buy Now, Upgrade Later.) A semantic adjustment is made: Instead of saying that a PC is “Vista Ready,†which might convey the idea that, well, it is ready to run Vista, a PC will be described as “Vista Capable,†which supposedly signals that no promises are made about which version of Vista will actually work.

The decision to drop the original hardware requirements is accompanied by considerable internal protest. The minimum hardware configuration was set so low that “even a piece of junk will qualify,†Anantha Kancherla, a Microsoft program manager, said in an internal e-mail message among those recently unsealed, adding, “It will be a complete tragedy if we allowed it.â€

Act 3: In 2007, Vista is released in multiple versions, including “Home Basic,†which lacks Vista’s distinctive graphics. This placed Microsoft’s partners in an embarrassing position. Dell, which gave Microsoft a postmortem report that was also included among court documents, dryly remarked: “Customers did not understand what ‘Capable’ meant and expected more than could/would be delivered.â€

All was foretold. In February 2006, after Microsoft abandoned its plan to reserve the Vista Capable label for only the more powerful PCs, its own staff tried to avert the coming deluge of customer complaints about underpowered machines. “It would be a lot less costly to do the right thing for the customer now,†said Robin Leonard, a Microsoft sales manager, in an e-mail message sent to her superiors, “than to spend dollars on the back end trying to fix the problem.â€

Now that Microsoft faces a certified class action, a judge may be the one who oversees the fix. In the meantime, where does Microsoft go to buy back its lost credibility?

Randall Stross is an author based in Silicon Valley and a professor of business at San Jose State University. E-mail: stross@nytimes.com.
 
Unfortunately I've had a flood of friends coming up to me with their Vista woes as I've been known as the Mr.Fix It for computers.

I've given my new standard issue advice to every friend who comes to me with PC problems: "Buy a Mac".

I'm impressed at how well the Mac misinformation mill still runs. People tell me that they hear that Macs have compatibility issues, that they have no software, that they can't get on the internet.... oh boy.

So I wasn't very surprised when a portion of those that I gave advice stuck to trying to fix their Vista PCs by upgrading to XP and some have actually gone out and bought a Mac with OS X Leopard.

The latter half hasn't needed any further help. The former is stuck in the past trying to figure out how to run the latest applications.

Maybe next time I should just reply with this:
macvspc.jpg
 
When I purchased my new laptop in January, I paid $20 to downgrade to XP. Although I'm annoyed that I had to pay for the privilege, I still think it was a wise choice.
 
I've a Dell XPS 710 which has a power cable for both the monitor and case, speaker cables, DVI cable from case to monitor, mouse and keyboard cable (I'm not a fan of wireless) which is 7 cables. Add a webcam, DSL, printer, satellite "in" and it turns into a rat's nest behind here.

When I bought this PC a Windows Vista upgrade disk arrived a few months later. I waited, I read and installed it last June. I installed Vista over top of WinXP Media Center which is not recommended practically everywhere I read, most advised of a clean install. The upgrade went off without a hitch except there was no driver for my 3 year old HP scanner. My system boots and shuts down much quicker than it did with XP, the graphics are terrific (it's only eye candy, hardly necessary to be honest), programs open up quicker and it handles anything to do with graphics with ease. Most of my programs worked fine under Vista with the exception of my email client, IncrediMail, which worked, but was buggy plus I had to uninstall and reinstall Vista friendly versions of Symantec products.

Is Vista worth the upgrade? Marginally in my opinion, and only if you have a PC with a fast graphic card(s), tons of system RAM (2GB minimum), fast processors and a large hard drive. If you do and if your a geek, you'll probably like it. If not, you won't - stick with XP / XP Media Center. As if Microsoft didn't already have a bad enough reputation already, VISTA solidified it.

Vista Service Pack 1 is due in mid-March to casual lowlifes like me or find it on bit torrents now. Vista SP1 claims to fix lots of problems, improve the O/S in some areas of common complaint and fix some under the hood problems. There are probably security fixes thrown in for good measure :)
 
Vista is an abomination, but I will never be driven to a Mac...
 
I'm generally pretty anti-Microsoft. But I was in a rush to get a desktop recently, and the Dell I got came with Vistas. It thought I'd hate it ... but honestly, after using it for a couple of months - I have no idea what people are complaining about. I can pretty much customize it to what I want, there are some significant improvements, and it doesn't seem any more annoying than any other version of NT. Sure you need 2 GB of RAM to run ... but if you've got the 2 GB, I don't see any performance issues.
 
lets hope windows 7 makes up for all.
 
I needed a laptop last year so when I bought this thing, it came pre-loaded with Vista. I've been using it since practically the time it came out (got the laptop last February).

It was quite an adjustment, but to be honest now it works fine for me. There are a few bugs I had to work through (particularly older programs that crashed), but most all the applications I could ever need have a patch now. There's plenty of Vista patches for programs whereas there weren't last year.

Really its all about familiarity, if you don't want to learn the new interface and features of Vista, and you don't want to go through possible incompatibilities, I'd say stick with XP, but if you run a set of programs you know won't have a problem, go for it. The interface actually is a nice refreshing update from XP which is pretty aging now since it came out in 2001.

One thing I do find atrocious is Microsoft's pricing. It used to be that Windows upgrades cost $69-99. I remember the special deals Microsoft made with Windows 98, ME, then XP. You could always find an affordable copy at a special discount (upgrade only offers from special vendors were commonly priced $69). Vista's cost is just rediculous when its mostly an interface change rather than core features change.

Microsoft could very well have made every penny of its R&D and made a healthy profit on top of it by selling Vista at not even half what they charge. Microsoft is truly showing signs of an industry monopoly at this point, which is ironic considering they were actually still competitive with pricing and what-not back in the Windows 98 days when they were sued by the government for anti-trust violations.

Another problem with Vista is the different versions. There's Vista Basic, Vista Home Premium, Vista Ultimate, Vista Business, Vista Enterprise, Vista Home Premium 64 bit, bla bla bla. They charge for upgrades within each version. Its a nightmare! They should have one or two DVD's with both 32 and 64 bit versions, a two pronged version: one for home use and one for business, both versions with 32 and 64 bit copies. The product key codes should work interchangably. If you buy Vista Home 32 bit you should be able to install 64 bit without any charges, fees, or product key changes.

But that's my opinion and Microsoft would never think that simple is better, not to mention more profitable for them.
 
Unfortunately I've had a flood of friends coming up to me with their Vista woes as I've been known as the Mr.Fix It for computers.

I've given my new standard issue advice to every friend who comes to me with PC problems: "Buy a Mac".

I'm impressed at how well the Mac misinformation mill still runs. People tell me that they hear that Macs have compatibility issues, that they have no software, that they can't get on the internet.... oh boy.

So I wasn't very surprised when a portion of those that I gave advice stuck to trying to fix their Vista PCs by upgrading to XP and some have actually gone out and bought a Mac with OS X Leopard.

The latter half hasn't needed any further help. The former is stuck in the past trying to figure out how to run the latest applications.

Maybe next time I should just reply with this:
macvspc.jpg

You're complaining about misinformation and you're posting this ridiculous image? You can get PCs with little - no wiring necessary at all. That iMac isn't very well designed either - it uses some questionable hardware choices and the DVD drive location is pretty puzzling.

I have a system with Vista and it's been great. I wouldn't upgrade to Vista on my main system though...it just isn't necessary.

I'm sure with the 1st service pack it should be much improved.
 
I needed a laptop last year so when I bought this thing, it came pre-loaded with Vista. I've been using it since practically the time it came out (got the laptop last February).

It was quite an adjustment, but to be honest now it works fine for me. There are a few bugs I had to work through (particularly older programs that crashed), but most all the applications I could ever need have a patch now. There's plenty of Vista patches for programs whereas there weren't last year.

Really its all about familiarity, if you don't want to learn the new interface and features of Vista, and you don't want to go through possible incompatibilities, I'd say stick with XP, but if you run a set of programs you know won't have a problem, go for it. The interface actually is a nice refreshing update from XP which is pretty aging now since it came out in 2001.

One thing I do find atrocious is Microsoft's pricing. It used to be that Windows upgrades cost $69-99. I remember the special deals Microsoft made with Windows 98, ME, then XP. You could always find an affordable copy at a special discount (upgrade only offers from special vendors were commonly priced $69). Vista's cost is just rediculous when its mostly an interface change rather than core features change.

Microsoft could very well have made every penny of its R&D and made a healthy profit on top of it by selling Vista at not even half what they charge. Microsoft is truly showing signs of an industry monopoly at this point, which is ironic considering they were actually still competitive with pricing and what-not back in the Windows 98 days when they were sued by the government for anti-trust violations.

Another problem with Vista is the different versions. There's Vista Basic, Vista Home Premium, Vista Ultimate, Vista Business, Vista Enterprise, Vista Home Premium 64 bit, bla bla bla. They charge for upgrades within each version. Its a nightmare! They should have one or two DVD's with both 32 and 64 bit versions, a two pronged version: one for home use and one for business, both versions with 32 and 64 bit copies. The product key codes should work interchangably. If you buy Vista Home 32 bit you should be able to install 64 bit without any charges, fees, or product key changes.

But that's my opinion and Microsoft would never think that simple is better, not to mention more profitable for them.


I agree. All the different versions are ridiculous.
 
I refuse to get VISTA and firmly believe that when I get a new computer it will be a MAC. I haven't used a MAC since I was in grade school but I'm not prepared to endure any VISTA mishaps or annoyances.
 
Macs are obviously marketed to people who get confused if there's more than one cable...a power cord and a network cable would probably send them over the edge.
Too bad Macs aren't very capable. Where are the PCI slots on that thing? How do I get 3 HD tuners into it? Can I install a 32 port Rocketport card?
Why aren't macs used in major production environements? like newsroom systems, or automation systems?
 
Why does this inevitably turn into a PC versus Mac bashing thread?



Too bad Macs aren't very capable.

What does this actually mean? Just because you don't see them everywhere does not mean the technology is not "capable."
 
I agree, this shouldn't be a MAC vs. PC debate. I am just tired of my PC and am willing to jump ship. But I'm not passionate either way. We can all agree that MAC or PC or whatever, it is all just an expensive porno-getting tool. :cool: jk
 
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