ProjectEnd said:
I'm fine with wiping private jets off the face of the earth. Absurd nonsense.
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Something that serves little benefit to the public...but where our provincial government needs show up in entourage to shake hands. /sigh
 
And a bit of a misnomer. No doubt a part of their market is the uber-rich, but some of their remaining products are owned by charter operators, freight carriers and governments including military.
 
lenaitch said:
And a bit of a misnomer. No doubt a part of their market is the uber-rich, but some of their remaining products are owned by charter operators, freight carriers and governments including military.
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I don't think anyone is disputing that here.
 
Private jets are environmentally egregious but people sure don't give much thought to where they focus their energies or the consequences that result. This is one of the few high valued added industries in the world where Canada not only has technological leadership but a dominant global player. We have 40% of the entire world market.

Do they go after throw away consumer electronics (iPhones, appliances) manufacturers in Asia? Do they go after the cattle or bottled water industry? Do they try to ban products from countries that commit human rights violations?

No, they target one of the few big tech wealth generators this country has left while offering no solutions as to how they plan to replace these very high paying jobs, how to prevent brain drain to foreign aerospace industries, and no ideas about how to use our technological know how in a more environmentally friendly and economically beneficial way.

Bombardier supports tens of thousands of well paying jobs in engineering, R&D, manufacturing, and professional services yet the wish is to just implode the whole thing? Where are they supposed to work instead, Tim Hortons? The kicker is that most of these people are the same who have no qualms about importing pasta sauce from Italy, fish from Vietnam, replacing their phone every 2 years, or flying to Puerto Vallarta in winter.

How about calling your MP saying you want to support Bombardier's efforts to develop an electric plane? That would actually be constructive.
 
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isaidso said:
Private jets are environmentally egregious but people sure don't give much thought to where they focus their energies or the consequences that result. This is one of the few high valued added industries in the world where Canada not only has technological leadership but a dominant global player. We have 40% of the entire world market.

Do they go after throw away consumer electronics (iPhones, appliances) manufacturers in Asia? Do they go after the cattle or bottled water industry? Do they try to ban products from countries that commit human rights violations?

No, they target one of the few big tech wealth generators this country has left while offering no solutions as to how they plan to replace these very high paying jobs, how to prevent brain drain to foreign aerospace industries, and no ideas about how to use our technological know how in a more environmentally friendly and economically beneficial way.

Bombardier supports tens of thousands of well paying jobs in engineering, R&D, manufacturing, and professional services yet the wish is to just implode the whole thing? Where are they supposed to work instead, Tim Hortons? The kicker is that most of these people are the same who have no qualms about importing pasta sauce from Italy, fish from Vietnam, replacing their phone every 2 years, or flying to Puerto Vallarta in winter.

How about calling your MP saying you want to support Bombardier's efforts to develop an electric plane? That would actually be constructive.
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Amen - not to mention the ENTIRE aviation industry is only 2% of global emissions.
 
Amare said:
In a way it's great to see a brand new facility like this being built but it's also so sad at the same time. Apparently its about 1/8th the size of the Downsview facility. I remember visiting the Downsview plant for a school project back in high school and I was amazed with all the Q400's they were pumping out and producing.

It's astonishing how badly the Bombardier family (more specifically Pierre Beaudoin) crippled and virtually self-imploded this company.
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The company that bought the rights to the Q400 is building an entirely new airport east of Calgary just to manufacture them. At least the Q400 jobs are staying in Canada and it will be good to have some competition between Bombardier and DeHaviland (Longview)
 
isaidso said:
Private jets are environmentally egregious but people sure don't give much thought to where they focus their energies or the consequences that result. This is one of the few high valued added industries in the world where Canada not only has technological leadership but a dominant global player. We have 40% of the entire world market.

Do they go after throw away consumer electronics (iPhones, appliances) manufacturers in Asia? Do they go after the cattle or bottled water industry? Do they try to ban products from countries that commit human rights violations?

No, they target one of the few big tech wealth generators this country has left while offering no solutions as to how they plan to replace these very high paying jobs, how to prevent brain drain to foreign aerospace industries, and no ideas about how to use our technological know how in a more environmentally friendly and economically beneficial way.

Bombardier supports tens of thousands of well paying jobs in engineering, R&D, manufacturing, and professional services yet the wish is to just implode the whole thing? Where are they supposed to work instead, Tim Hortons? The kicker is that most of these people are the same who have no qualms about importing pasta sauce from Italy, fish from Vietnam, replacing their phone every 2 years, or flying to Puerto Vallarta in winter.

How about calling your MP saying you want to support Bombardier's efforts to develop an electric plane? That would actually be constructive.
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Hard to argue but the company might have garnered more support for government largesse had they run the company like, well, a company and not a plaything of Ottawa.

They seem to can't help themselves. Their latest was to try a convince the government to let them bid the military's long range surveillance aircraft. Their offering was - a picture.
 
goodcitywhenfinished said:
The company that bought the rights to the Q400 is building an entirely new airport east of Calgary just to manufacture them. At least the Q400 jobs are staying in Canada and it will be good to have some competition between Bombardier and DeHaviland (Longview)
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They're not really competing with each other, they're in entirely different segments. DeHaviland is focusing on regional passenger turboprops and specialized aircraft, Bombardier just private jets.

We're lucky that DeHaviland was able to pick up product that Bombardier essentially let wither away and neglected.
 
isaidso said:
No, they target one of the few big tech wealth generators this country has left while offering no solutions as to how they plan to replace these very high paying jobs, how to prevent brain drain to foreign aerospace industries, and no ideas about how to use our technological know how in a more environmentally friendly and economically beneficial way.

Bombardier supports tens of thousands of well paying jobs in engineering, R&D, manufacturing, and professional services yet the wish is to just implode the whole thing? Where are they supposed to work instead, Tim Hortons?
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I'm pretty sure that was the only thing that came to mind when I stated, "serves little benefit to the public"...because without that, there would of been nothing. So I agree, there's least that.
 
ProjectEnd said:
They're the one thing Bombardier does period these days...
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They still have their recreational vehicles division, don't they? (ATVs, Sea-Doos, Snowmobiles, etc.). They do quite well in that realm as well.

Edit: nevermind, they sold that off in 2003. The Bombardier family apparently retains 35% ownership, but it's not under the "Bombardier" Corporate umbrella.
 
innsertnamehere said:
They still have their recreational vehicles division, don't they? (ATVs, Sea-Doos, Snowmobiles, etc.). They do quite well in that realm as well.

They overstretched on the CSeries jets which ended up forcing them to liquidate both the entire project and their train division.. but they held onto their best performing assets, which is recreational vehicles and private jets.
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Sorry, yes, they do have recreational vehicles. But the CRJ went to Mitsubishi in 2021: https://noreast.ca/news/mitsubishi-buys-bombardier-crj-series-aircraft-business

And they lost the Q400 / Dash-8 to De Havilland Canada in 2019. That'll be picked up again by DHC when their big new facility in Wheatland County in Alberta opens up in the coming years:

 
ProjectEnd said:
Sorry, yes, they do have recreational vehicles...
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Sorry, but they do not have the recreational vehicles component of the the original Bombardier any longer.

If I recall correctly, the recreational components portion was spun out a number of years ago, in 2003, when Bombardier ran into financial problems with the costs associated with the C series jet program development. The Bombardier Beaudoin family members led a leveraged buyout with funding from the Quebec Caisse and Bain Capital. The recreational products company is know as BRP (Bombardier Recreational Products) and is listed on the TSX as DOO with Bain Capital and the Quebec Caisse as controlling shareholders.
 
AHK said:
Sorry, but they do not have the recreational vehicles component of the the original Bombardier any longer.

If I recall correctly, the recreational components portion was spun out a number of years ago, in 2003, when Bombardier ran into financial problems with the costs associated with the C series jet program development. The Bombardier Beaudoin family members led a leveraged buyout with funding from the Quebec Caisse and Bain Capital. The recreational products company is know as BRP (Bombardier Recreational Products) and is listed on the TSX as DOO with Bain Capital and the Quebec Caisse as controlling shareholders.
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Fireside story time.

I policed the remote (fly-in) FNTs in the late 1970s. Through our travels I got to know Fr. Maurice Ouimet who ran the Catholic mission at Lansdowne House. He was a close personal friend of Joseph-Armatnd Bombardier (the inventor of the Ski-Doo). I originally thought he was related by learned that they were childhood friends. Bombardier's first commercial product was the large B12 Snowbus (it sat 12 people). He gave one to Fr. Ouimet. When he commercialized the Ski-Doo, he shipped the first one to Fr. Ouimet.

Once production got going, every year he shipped two machines to Fr. Ouimet; one for him and one for his Christian Brother. The two were a study in contrast; Father Ouimet was a fairly slight man but the Brother was the size of a hulking bear. Rumour had it that he was an ex-boxer who had 'found God'. Lansdowne House was pretty rough place back then, but the mission was never touched.

The Father would usually give the 'old' machines to the band council at one of his parishes. I forget whether it was a milestone birthday or milestone anniversary of being ordained, by two DC-3 aircraft of family and Bombardier friends flew in from Quebec.

It's nice to have friends!
 
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