[car4041]

I'd think this should location will make for some easy development on the Canadian tire lands. At Caledonia there is not as much land that could be worked with. Again I think the GO station access is vital. Finally with this station being closer to Keele hopefully this stretch will see some major redevelopment as it will have two stations in walking distance of eachother.

I don't think the position of stations should be based on how much redevelopment is possible. Redevelopment is a positive side-effect of a transit line, but it's not the main purpose. Also, there would still be GO access if the station was on the other side of the rail line closer to Caledonia. And surely any positives from having Keele and Caledonia so close together would be cancelled out by the negatives of having Caledonia and Dufferin so far apart.

But in this case, like I said above, I imagine the site was chosen simply because there's a big empty space where they can build the station without disrupting anything. Which I guess is fair enough -- it's not like Caledonia is overflowing with bus passengers anyway.

 

[Palma]

I don't think the position of stations should be based on how much redevelopment is possible. Redevelopment is a positive side-effect of a transit line, but it's not the main purpose. Also, there would still be GO access if the station was on the other side of the rail line closer to Caledonia. And surely any positives from having Keele and Caledonia so close together would be cancelled out by the negatives of having Caledonia and Dufferin so far apart.

But in this case, like I said above, I imagine the site was chosen simply because there's a big empty space where they can build the station without disrupting anything. Which I guess is fair enough -- it's not like Caledonia is overflowing with bus passengers anyway.

What about taking over that Honda dealership at the corner of Caledonia and Eglinton! I think its closed anyways as it moved over to Dufferin across from Yorkdale. Thats a much better location and this way the station is more midway between Keele and Dufferin. I cannot believe how these transit people come up with their decisions

 

[sixrings]

What about taking over that Honda dealership at the corner of Caledonia and Eglinton! I think its closed anyways as it moved over to Dufferin across from Yorkdale. Thats a much better location and this way the station is more midway between Keele and Dufferin. I cannot believe how these transit people come up with their decisions

Actually thats a realy good idea.... i still think the better the GO transfer the more likely a stop will actually become reality here. I think how they handle the GO integration at Caledonia and Weston are some of the most vital aspects of the entire Crosstown design.

 

[sixrings]

What about taking over that Honda dealership at the corner of Caledonia and Eglinton! I think its closed anyways as it moved over to Dufferin across from Yorkdale. Thats a much better location and this way the station is more midway between Keele and Dufferin. I cannot believe how these transit people come up with their decisions

Actually thats a realy good idea.... i still think the better the GO transfer the more likely a stop will actually become reality here. I think how they handle the GO integration at Caledonia and Weston are some of the most vital aspects of the entire Crosstown design.

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

What about taking over that Honda dealership at the corner of Caledonia and Eglinton! I think its closed anyways as it moved over to Dufferin across from Yorkdale. Thats a much better location and this way the station is more midway between Keele and Dufferin. I cannot believe how these transit people come up with their decisions

The Shoppers Drug Mart is taking over the dealership building, moving from West Side Mall. Then there's the Rogers Store at the West Side Mall getting out of the video rental business...

Changes coming.

Maybe they'll use a temporary empty store for construction offices.

 

[Palma]

The Shoppers Drug Mart is taking over the dealership building, moving from West Side Mall. Then there's the Rogers Store at the West Side Mall getting out of the video rental business...

Changes coming.

Maybe they'll use a temporary empty store for construction offices.

There is already a Shoppers at Eglnton and Dufferin. Well the government should have taken it over or expropriated it and still could. How many Shopper in less than 1km is needed. It takes about 1 min from Caledonia to Dufferi St

 

[EnviroTO]

I wouldn't change anything about the main entrance of the Caledonia station since the bus loop, GO station and plaza all seem well integrated. The second entrance seems like a wasted opportunity in that it isn't very usable with all those stairs and no escalators or elevators, and in that it is on the same side of Eglinton not far from the the main entrance. I can see why the city has located the station where it is though from a cost perspective since they have almost everything sitting in the city owner right-of-way that exists due to Eglinton curving south to use the current bridge over the rail corridor.

 

[Dan416]

I really don't care one way or the other, but I just hope they don't make a mistake by not locating the station on Caledonia out of cheapness.

 

[BurlOak]

You can download the PDF for Caledonia Station at this link.

You can afterwards do the survey at this link.

This presentation stated that the aligment for the West portion (Keele to Jane) is still not decided. Any idea on what options are the leading candidates. I recall at-grade, underground (cut-and-cover) and elevated all discussed earlier. I guess the exact stations are up in the air as well. I presume we need Keele, Black Creek, Weston/GO and Jane.

 

[Solid Snake]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/repo...an-takes-taxpayers-for-a-ride/article2435515/

Vancouver’s Canada Line, which also has a major underground component, also cost about $110-million per kilometre. However, this is a step up from a light-rail system. It is a “mini-metro” – more like a conventional subway in terms of carrying capacity and speed. Moreover, the Canada Line is fully automated and its operating cost is thus much lower than the Seattle system (or the Eglinton line is likely to be).

Unbelievably, the Eglinton line is set to cost more than $250-million per kilometre. There has never been a good explanation as to why it is to cost so much compared with, say, the Canada Line.

I honestly like LRT on the right avenue. At that price, Eglinton should have been a subway. I don't care that people think that anti-LRT opinions are ignorants or LRT haters but at that price, taxpayers got screwed. PERIOD

Transit was supposed to be what? 120 Km for 10 Billions?
At that price, the whole thing made sense but as soon as the price tag increased rapidly, it was time to rethink the whole thing and go with subway on Eglinton or at least Skytrain like the Canada line from STC to Jane. They even split that line now.

This is turning to be worse than when Ford took over. Council should have let Eglinton be underground and force a financial plan to pay for Sheppard on Ford wheter he liked it or not, not reverting back to Transit City and end up with a joke of a plan

 

[nfitz]

The writer, Richard Gilbert, is ignorant if the thinks that Canada Line is a step up, and has subway-like carrying capacity. With such an absurd statement, he has demonstrated his incompetency, and that throws everything else he has said in doubt. The Canada Line only has 40-metre long trains, with an ultimate length of 50-metres. The Eglinton LRT certainly has less capacity than a TTC subway, but it's designed for 90-metre long trains and automatic operation in the busiest section of the line.

And really, never a good explanation as to why it costs more than the Canada Line? If he can't figure out something so blindingly obvious, perhaps he should avoid commenting on the issue.

 

[scarberiankhatru]

Longer platforms actually add a relatively small amount to the cost of an overall line. There's other factors behind Eglinton's boondoggly pricetag.

 

[Voltz]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/repo...an-takes-taxpayers-for-a-ride/article2435515/



I honestly like LRT on the right avenue. At that price, Eglinton should have been a subway. I don't care that people think that anti-LRT opinions are ignorants or LRT haters but at that price, taxpayers got screwed. PERIOD

Transit was supposed to be what? 120 Km for 10 Billions?
At that price, the whole thing made sense but as soon as the price tag increased rapidly, it was time to rethink the whole thing and go with subway on Eglinton or at least Skytrain like the Canada line from STC to Jane. They even split that line now.

This is turning to be worse than when Ford took over. Council should have let Eglinton be underground and force a financial plan to pay for Sheppard on Ford wheter he liked it or not, not reverting back to Transit City and end up with a joke of a plan

The main difference between the current plan and a Canada Line style line on Eglinton is the surface section would be elevated, that is not cheaper.

The Canada line does not have the capacity of a subway line, it is only about half as I recall and to reach that level they will have to physically expand the elevated stations and buy more trains. The TTC would never be that short sighted as to not build stations structurally long enough to handle the planned train length.

And why advocate for a plan that costs more while complaining about the cost of a plan that is cheaper?

 

[nfitz]

Longer platforms actually add a relatively small amount to the cost of an overall line.

I wasn't quoting the platform length as anything to do with the cost. I was quoting the platform length, as it demonstrates so clearly that it is a step-down from the Eglinton LRT, in terms of carrying capacity - the complete opposite from Richard Gilbert's bizarre claims.

The Canada line does not have the capacity of a subway line, it is only about half as I recall..

Less than half. The ultimate train length for a Canada Line platform, if they expand them, is 50 metres. Our subway stations have 152 metre platforms. In addition the trains are a bit narrow than a subway train. The Canada Line can carry less then 1/3 the capacity of the Eglinton LRT. The Eglinton LRT can carry about half of the subway capacity. So if subway (if you add the proposed 7th car) can carry 30,000 per hour, LRT is closer to 15,000, and Canada Line is less than 10,000. If you up the subway frequencies through automation, etc., you might be able to get up to 45,000 if you really squeeze, and at those frequencies, LRT would be about 22,000 and Canada Line 14,000 (closer to 11,000 if they don't extend the trains).

 

[junctionist]

Hopefully everyone who doesn't like the Caledonia design, is making comments, as now is the official time to do so. Comments go here - http://thecrosstown.ca/node/343

I've made my comments, and I hope everyone else does. We need to make sure that all these stations are functional and attractive. They'll be around for generations.