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The TTC has made changes to the Don Mills bus due to construction at Eglinton.
  • The 25 DON MILLS route will be temporarily split at Don Mills Station between 6:00 a.m. and 7:00 p.m., Monday to Friday. This will isolate the northern section of the route from the construction delays. Customers will be required to transfer at Don Mills Station for through travel.
  • Schedules will include additional travel time through the Don Mills and Eglinton intersection to maintain service reliability.
  • Local service will operate more frequently during most periods of the week to reduce crowding.
  • New express stops will be provided northbound at Godstone Road and southbound at 2980 Don Mills Road on the 185 DON MILLS ROCKET.
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salsa said:
The TTC has made changes to the Don Mills bus due to construction at Eglinton.
  • The 25 DON MILLS route will be temporarily split at Don Mills Station between 6:00 a.m. and 7:00 p.m., Monday to Friday. This will isolate the northern section of the route from the construction delays. Customers will be required to transfer at Don Mills Station for through travel.
  • Schedules will include additional travel time through the Don Mills and Eglinton intersection to maintain service reliability.
  • Local service will operate more frequently during most periods of the week to reduce crowding.
  • New express stops will be provided northbound at Godstone Road and southbound at 2980 Don Mills Road on the 185 DON MILLS ROCKET.
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Changes like this have an interesting side-effect since they will be in effect for four years +. The Don Mills bus will never be the same again. Some riders who might have gone to Pape - now - will say to hell with it and go west on Line 4 and south on the subway. In four years, some will go to Science Center and make the same decision and go to Eglinton. At that point if DRL long constrcution is ongoing, then the next jump will be get on DRL and forego Don Mills bus altogether. The patterns, they are a changin'.

I doubt that the route will ever be re-unified again. Nor should it need to be.
 
TransitBart said:
Changes like this have an interesting side-effect since they will be in effect for four years +. The Don Mills bus will never be the same again. Some riders who might have gone to Pape - now - will say to hell with it and go west on Line 4 and south on the subway. In four years, some will go to Science Center and make the same decision and go to Eglinton. At that point if DRL long constrcution is ongoing, then the next jump will be get on DRL and forego Don Mills bus altogether. The patterns, they are a changin'.

I doubt that the route will ever be re-unified again. Nor should it need to be.
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Let's be real. Commuters going downtown will always take line 4 to line 1 in rush hour. The 25 is very unreliable even without the construction. Why spend the extra 30 minutes to work? There is no such side effects that you stated. The 25 is not split in in evenings and weekend. It operates the same as it did before right now. Majority of people would don't transfer usually head for the Shops at Don Mills, Duncan Mills business area or Thorncliffe park area. Hardly any one go all the way down to Pape Station. With the introduction of the 185 rocket, everyone would have transferred as the 25 is very long and annoying.
 
TransitBart said:
Changes like this have an interesting side-effect since they will be in effect for four years +. The Don Mills bus will never be the same again. Some riders who might have gone to Pape - now - will say to hell with it and go west on Line 4 and south on the subway. In four years, some will go to Science Center and make the same decision and go to Eglinton. At that point if DRL long constrcution is ongoing, then the next jump will be get on DRL and forego Don Mills bus altogether. The patterns, they are a changin'.

I doubt that the route will ever be re-unified again. Nor should it need to be.
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25 Don Mills won't even exist south of Eglinton if the next 25 years go accordingly well as far as a DRL is concerned.

The 25 will only be needed to fill the gap between stops on the DRL between Eglinton and Sheppard and serve the complete area from Sheppard to Steeles. Progress.
 
Hopkins123 said:
25 Don Mills won't even exist south of Eglinton if the next 25 years go accordingly well as far as a DRL is concerned.

The 25 will only be needed to fill the gap between stops on the DRL between Eglinton and Sheppard and serve the complete area from Sheppard to Steeles. Progress.
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Let's not forget there will always be riders that need local stops. Thorncliffe Park is home to many low income family unlike Sheppard and Yonge lines. The 25 isn't going to become low frequency service unlike the 85 parallel bus service with line 4.
 
TheTigerMaster said:
The other option is for the TTC to design and build. If the project gets canceled in the design phase, the TTC obviously won't charge hundred of millions in cancelation penalties. A design and build consortium would. So having the TTC do it makes it more prone to cancelation.
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why can't TTC charge hundreds of millions in cancelation penalties to also prevent czncellation?
 
Palma said:
why can't TTC charge hundreds of millions in cancelation penalties to also prevent czncellation?
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So make a policy with the contractor so that you have to pay if you want to cancel. Where you are not actually you, but you is the next person in charge. Nice!
 
Leo_Chan said:
So make a policy with the contractor so that you have to pay if you want to cancel. Where you are not actually you, but you is the next person in charge. Nice!
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Essentially that exists now. The contractor gets paid for lost profit on work not done. Also, it is especially evident when P3 are involved and lost profits are included.

That is why we paid over $1B for the cancelled gas plants when 1 government started it and another cancelled it. Wait, those huge penalties even apply if the same government signs and then cancels a contract.
 
BurlOak said:
Essentially that exists now. The contractor gets paid for lost profit on work not done. Also, it is especially evident when P3 are involved and lost profits are included.

That is why we paid over $1B for the cancelled gas plants when 1 government started it and another cancelled it. Wait, those huge penalties even apply if the same government signs and then cancels a contract.
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And the GTA actually needed those power plants not new windmills 250km away. Cancelling a $1B project doesn't necessary mean a lost of $1B. The consortium would be eligible to all the revenue they would have earn plus work completed but not all of the material cost. It would be a chuck of the project like 30-40% but not 100%. If the contract includes a specified cancellation cost, then that stands.
 
Steve X said:
Let's be real. Commuters going downtown will always take line 4 to line 1 in rush hour. The 25 is very unreliable even without the construction. Why spend the extra 30 minutes to work? There is no such side effects that you stated. The 25 is not split in in evenings and weekend. It operates the same as it did before right now. Majority of people would don't transfer usually head for the Shops at Don Mills, Duncan Mills business area or Thorncliffe park area. Hardly any one go all the way down to Pape Station. With the introduction of the 185 rocket, everyone would have transferred as the 25 is very long and annoying.
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Here's an idea....why don't you try riding the routes and learning what the travel patterns are instead of just assuming everything.

There are a LOT of people from the residential neighbourhoods just south of Steeles that ride the bus all the way down to Pape Station. The buses wouldn't be standing room only by York Mills if that wasn't the case.

Dan
Toronto, Ont.
 
Does anyone know if the Eglinton Connects plan has been approved and if the work will be done as part of the LRT construction. I was looking online at the City of Toronto site and see background material but no approval. I recall that Trudeau has offered some minor funding for bike lanes along the route but not sure if the rest of it has been approved and funded by the city. I couldn't find anything on the city site with the latest status of this project.
 
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