Allandale25
Senior Member
For all those reacting with the 'angry' emoticon, in addition to doing that highly recommend contacting your local Councillor with your concern on this. I've reached out to Brad Bradford.
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For all those reacting with the 'angry' emoticon, in addition to doing that highly recommend contacting your local Councillor with your concern on this. I've reached out to Brad Bradford.
imerk
Active Member
I haven't looked into this in detail, but limited transit priority is still transit priority. The ability to extend green times so the vehicle can clear the intersection is already a significantly beneficial measure which will cut delays. At the same time, you need a maximum green time to satisfy all road users, including pedestrians who are also experiencing delay, so there will be moments when the streetcar waits at a red light (especially on near-side transit stops which have unpredictable dwell time). Setting up the signal to prioritize the LRT through movement over the protected left turns, then going back to through green for vehicles would lead to more lost time during the phase transitions as well.
My point is, I don't think people need to kick and scream because left turns aren't being called after the through movement just yet. The line has it's own ROW and is coded for transit priority where it matters most.
crs1026
Superstar
^I wonder what data will be kept during the testing phase, especially once full speed end to end testing is attempted. In particular - How will the actual velocity compare to the designed statistic?
I wonder what it would take to get a Councillor to introduce a motion at Council directing the TTC and Transportation Department to conduct a formal study over the first 3-6 months of operation, to provide data eg
- Actual velocity versus design speeds
- Average delay at each intersection
- Potential velocity improvements possible with specific modifications at specific intersections
- Paul
I wonder what it would take to get a Councillor to introduce a motion at Council directing the TTC and Transportation Department to conduct a formal study over the first 3-6 months of operation, to provide data eg
- Actual velocity versus design speeds
- Average delay at each intersection
- Potential velocity improvements possible with specific modifications at specific intersections
- Paul
TheTigerMaster
Superstar
TTC and Transport Services really oughta be doing this on their own initiative. I don’t see why Council should be involved unless they totally drop the ball. We’ll see if they act responsibly here.
crs1026
Superstar
vz64
Active Member
The signal priority will help, but it will not solve the problem. As I mentioned before, with 5 min frequency, we have two trains passing each intersection (in opposite direction), so, a train each 150 sec. Minus time to cross (say 15 sec) and some buffer time to change the light (another 15 sec) it leaves only 2 min. So, if a traffic light is green for the left turns, there is a good chance that a train will need to stop anyway and then to wait for the crossing traffic... The only no-delay solution is a complete grade separation. They should've opted for under/overpasses that are frugally built (no stations).
Cobra
Senior Member
Years of Toronto Star and pro LRT councillors/fans thrashing people who dared calling the eastern portion of the line as a glorified streetcar with the audacity to ask for a subway or elevated type of service...
We weren't wrong after all.
This line will be a 2-tier service with Etobicoke, York, Toronto being fully grade separated with short-turn capabilities for the underground/elevated sections while Scarborough will have the section at the mercy of idiotic drivers, elements and jaywalkers with no true priority signals...
Oh Toronto....
We weren't wrong after all.
This line will be a 2-tier service with Etobicoke, York, Toronto being fully grade separated with short-turn capabilities for the underground/elevated sections while Scarborough will have the section at the mercy of idiotic drivers, elements and jaywalkers with no true priority signals...
Oh Toronto....
sixrings
Senior Member
Eglinton west only got a upgrade to grade separated after Scarborough complained about the SRT to LRT conversion which eventually turned into a subway. If you nimby in one area expect others to nimby in their area. And then who knows who gets what in the end.
FTR I was pro eglinton west at grade LRT even though it was the one line I might use quite often.
ARG1
Senior Member
NIMBYs are a double edged sword. Sometimes they're throwing a hissy fit over nothing (Ontario Line and Yonge North), and sometimes they have a bloody point (Scarborough). At Grade LRT was always a bad idea on Eglinton, and this is one aspect of transit planning that Rob Ford absolutely hit the nail on the head (too bad about everything else with his Mayorship). I really, really hope we find a way to grade separate Eglinton East sooner than later.
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
The NIMBYs are complaining how it will affect the cars, not how it will affect the operation of the LRT. This is also one of the factors driving the unwillingness to implement transit priority - it wasn't a "bloody point".
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sixrings
Senior Member
For the record I drive eglinton west every single day and was an advocate for the at grade lrt because it saved money to be spent on other projects.
ARG1
Senior Member
Perhaps I used overly aggressive language, but the primary Scarborough argument was that they were getting overly cheap stuff after years of being handed overly cheap stuff. The Scarborough LRT was just a worse version of the SRT Refurbishment plan. Line 5 was just a streetcar. Sheppard Subway was cancelled and replaced with another LRT (which again they rightfully saw as just a streetcar). Making any opposition to LRTs look like its just a bunch of car owners who don't want trains on their streets is the type of conversation degradation in this city that makes transit discussion in this city incredibly toxic, especially when a ton of Scarboroughites had a valid point about transit construction that have very little to do with drivers.
Ok and? Why does it matter that you drive on Eglinton West? I'm arguing purely from the perspective of the transit rider, and couldn't care less about what the drivers think.
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
What does that have *anything* to do with willingness or not to implement transit priority? You now have a built system; you need to maximize value out of that system - and you need transit priority to do it.
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ARG1
Senior Member
This has nothing to do with TSP. I was responding to a comment talking about NIMBYism and the perception of LRT naysayers saying that these LRTs are glorified streetcars.
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
What I am saying is that NIMBYism cuts even in this case, and it isn't a good thing just because it aligns with your own preferences.
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