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Why exactly are we going to need a subway on eglinton rather than LRT - does a Subway cab hold more ppl than an LRT cab. Or is that just another jab of the line not being fully grade separated ?
For the same tunnel width, a high floor subway is always going to have greater capacity than a low floor lrt. No standing space being taken up by wheel wells.

So if you were going to construct expensive station boxes and grade separate half the line by digging subway-width tunnels, then you might as well elevate the remaining half of the line (where the ROW has already been carved out) and make the line a subway.

And if you really wanted to save money, you cut out some closely spaced stations (Like Oakwood, Mt Pleasant and Forest Hill) and remove some of the above grade stations to just major intersections.

Boom, you've converted an easily snarled LRT to a high capacity crosstown subway which also relieves pressure on the Bloor line.
 
Why exactly are we going to need a subway on eglinton rather than LRT - does a Subway cab hold more ppl than an LRT cab. Or is that just another jab of the line not being fully grade separated ?

No signal priority, not grade separated, tunnels larger than subway tunnels, lower capacity, exposed to the elements and many sources of interference at track level (think about how many cars will hit this train). I love LRT but because this line is opening so slowly and we have so little transit being built in the rest of the city many developments have been built in anticipation so the ridership will be bonanzas from day 1. Also factoring in the fact that it is the furthest north east west line and that many will take it to go between Yonge and Spadina on line 1. Also $13 billion is an incredible expense for what will essentially be a crossover between St. Clair and Line 2.
 
Crosstown was award by the Liberals (through ML) and we had a Pandemic in there as well, so we need to keep that in mind when we track the future timing to complete the Ontario Line.

That being said, if it took over a decade to build a straight line that is over 50% outside, then realistically how long will it really take to build a line that cross the river twice and twists it way under the aging instructure in our city core?
 
Crosstown was award by the Liberals (through ML) and we had a Pandemic in there as well, so we need to keep that in mind when we track the future timing to complete the Ontario Line.

That being said, if it took over a decade to build a straight line that is over 50% outside, then realistically how long will it really take to build a line that cross the river twice and twists it way under the aging instructure in our city core?
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UrbanToronto the day the OL opens.
 
Why exactly are we going to need a subway on eglinton rather than LRT - does a Subway cab hold more ppl than an LRT cab. Or is that just another jab of the line not being fully grade separated ?

It does not have to be a subway. The subway level capacity will not be needed for a long time. If that capacity will be needed at all, there are ways to mitigate with a parallel line on Lawrence.

However, in a way we are getting the worst of both worlds. Capacity of an LRT, for the cost almost equal to a subway.
 

No ‘credible plan’ for completion of Eglinton LRT, says Metrolinx

An internal Metrolinx performance report from September 2022 blames the delays on the “underperformance” of Crosslinx Transit Solutions.​

From link.

The consortium building the Eglinton Crosstown LRT says it expects the long-delayed transit project to be completed by March 2023, but the provincial transit agency overseeing the project says that date is “overly ambitious.”

In an internal Metrolinx performance report from September 2022 obtained by the Star, Metrolinx said Crosslinx Transit Solutions does not have a “credible plan” to complete the LRT. It ascribed the “continuous slippage of the project’s plan” to the “underperformance of Crosslinx.

The documents give a detailed picture of the ongoing strife between the provincial agencies overseeing the project, Metrolinx and Infrastructure Ontario, and Crosslinx, the consortium made up of four construction and engineering companies.

Crosslinx and Infrastructure Ontario did not respond to requests for comment by the Star. Metrolinx reiterated a statement it gave the Star in September, where it said it had expected the LRT to be up and running this fall, but Crosslinx fell behind schedule.

In its internal report, Metrolinx said the testing of the entire system is lagging behind schedule. “The plan’s projection is extremely ambitious and (Crosslinx) has continuously failed to achieve the goals,” the documents read.

Construction and engineering work on the line are 98 per cent complete, the documents say, while testing is only 78.5 per cent done.

The report says the current approved budget is $12.82 billion, up from $12.24 billion in 2019. It also shows Crosslinx has more than $260 million in outstanding claims against Metrolinx and Infrastructure Ontario.

The LRT has been under construction since 2011 and was initially to be completed in 2020, but the timeline for the 19-kilometre light rail transit line has been pushed back several times, to the dismay of commuters and Eglinton businesses that have put up with more than a decade of heavy construction.

According to the report, which was first reported by CBC News, Crosslinx now expects the LRT to be complete by March 2023, though Metrolinx casts doubt on the viability of this timeline, calling the testing schedule “overly ambitious and not achievable.”

Among a list of issues Metrolinx identified is “lack of a credible plan toward the completion of the project.” Crosslinx, Metrolinx alleges, has not laid out the requirements for achieving revenue service demonstration — the point at which the transit agency can begin running the trains along the line to test that there are no problems.

“This is critical to understanding the schedule and a realistic project completion date. Until this aspect can be agreed upon and a credible plan accepted, the schedule remain (sic) categorized as red in status.”

Metrolinx flags issues with the work Crosslinx has completed so far, “including but not limited to failure of waterproofing/water ingress leading to leakages and mold; and damaged public-exposed concrete.”

The transit agency also outlines ongoing safety concerns with Crosslinx. While the consortium has improved its safety measures since an LRT worker was hit and killed by a cement truck driver in May, the report outlines, the transit agency and Infrastructure Ontario have continued to observe some violations of mobile equipment standards, which are important to preventing injury and death.

The relationship between Metrolinx and Crosslinx has been rocky for several years. In 2018, the provincial transit agency paid Crosslinx an extra $237 million to keep the project on track. But in February 2020, Metrolinx blamed the LRT’s delayed opening date on Crosslinx’s failure to meet construction targets, plus defects in old infrastructure under the TTC Eglinton station.

In December 2021, Metrolinx, Infrastructure Ontario and Crosslinx struck a new deal on the cost and timeline for the transit line after a legal battle over who should be responsible for the added costs to the LRT’s construction imposed by the pandemic. Ultimately, an Ontario Superior Court Justice ruled in Crosslinx’s favour, and the province had to pay Crosslinx an extra $325 million for the project.

In December 2021, Metrolinx said the transit line would be complete by September 2022 and ready for service in 2023, but in September, the Star reported the line was delayed again.

At the time, Metrolinx CEO Phil Verster said “We are doing everything to hold Crosslinx Transit Solutions accountable and to redouble efforts to meet their commitments and complete the work quickly so we can welcome riders onto a complete, tested and fully operational Eglinton Crosstown LRT as soon as possible.”

I would say to give them a window of "spring 2023". Which means March, April, May, or June 2023.
 
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I would say to give them a window of "spring 2023". Which means March, April, May, or June 2023.
And then how many months of testing after handover? The Elizabeth line in London had 6 months of trial running by TFL - but that was only after 6 months of trial running to a timetable by the contractor.

It feels like starting operating in September 2023 is out. More likely 2024, or very late 2023. Though that assumes nothing major comes to light during trial operations.

And to think their biggest concern that caused them to start cancelling contracts was Bombardier's streetcar delivery timeframe.
 
"Construction and engineering work on the line are 98 per cent complete, the documents say, while testing is only 78.5 per cent done."

Let's all just pray that this is true. If this is true, doesn't seem like a 2023 opening is crazy.
 
Time to stop blaming good old Mike. There has been more than enough incompetence and delay after him (and ongoing).
Gee!! didn't realize Good Old Mike was still in Power And running the PC party not the Dougiee get out of my way yea hoo.

Good old Mike has nothing to do with this mess, other than ML who has been under 2 different province party control.

Opening date will be in Q4 2023 to late Q3 depending when the line gets turn over to TTC who will take their time before opening the line. Expect 3-4 months of testing and training with at least 30 days of full service schedule runs. They will also look at service on one track if a track has to be taken out of service for X reason.
 
And then how many months of testing after handover? The Elizabeth line in London had 6 months of trial running by TFL - but that was only after 6 months of trial running to a timetable by the contractor.

It feels like starting operating in September 2023 is out. More likely 2024, or very late 2023. Though that assumes nothing major comes to light during trial operations.

And to think their biggest concern that caused them to start cancelling contracts was Bombardier's streetcar delivery timeframe.
Already been operational testing by both Metrolinx and TTC since November of 2021. It's the physical stations (especially Eglinton and Cedarvale [AKA Eglinton West]) located above the tunnels and underground platforms that's the holdup. Some operators are already getting training.
 
"Construction and engineering work on the line are 98 per cent complete, the documents say, while testing is only 78.5 per cent done."

Let's all just pray that this is true. If this is true, doesn't seem like a 2023 opening is crazy.
The other positive I’ve been seeing recently is that the media is really holding metrolinx to account. Good for them and us.
 

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