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I thought the opening dates being bandied about was for the Crosstown only (excluding extension). Why are we suddenly talking about the extension opening?

Note that I specified “excluding the extension” in my post because a number of the discussions prior to mine referenced the Crosstown, the West extension or both - and I wanted to be very clear.
 
allengeorge said:
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I thought the opening dates being bandied about was for the Crosstown only (excluding extension). Why are we suddenly talking about the extension opening?

Note that I specified “excluding the extension” in my post because a number of the discussions prior to mine referenced the Crosstown, the West extension or both - and I wanted to be very clear.
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I suspect the comment about opening both at once referred to Lines 5 and 6, not 5 and 5 west.

I don't have the time to scroll up and confirm that right now
 
The opening of line 5 phase1 will take place years before phase11 as phase11 is supposed to be around 2030. TTC Line 2 open in several phases and it is common to see it happen on other transit plans around the world.

Ford wants to go in to 2026 election year smelling roses with all the ribbon cutting he can get done in the next 18 months for transit.

We can see this line opening either by year end or Q1/2025 with the next few months giving a better idea on timeframe. The surface area doesn't have to be 100% to open the line.

Line 6 will open this fall with Line 10 opening in Q4/2025 or Q1/2026. Line 10 will open in either 2 or 3 phases depending on next week's budget announcement.
 
drum118 said:
The opening of line 5 phase1 will take place years before phase11 as phase11 is supposed to be around 2030. TTC Line 2 open in several phases and it is common to see it happen on other transit plans around the world.

Ford wants to go in to 2026 election year smelling roses with all the ribbon cutting he can get done in the next 18 months for transit.

We can see this line opening either by year end or Q1/2025 with the next few months giving a better idea on timeframe. The surface area doesn't have to be 100% to open the line.

Line 6 will open this fall with Line 10 opening in Q4/2025 or Q1/2026. Line 10 will open in either 2 or 3 phases depending on next week's budget announcement.
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What is Line 10?
 
just east of the creek said:
Why line 10….. did amalgamation take place, or just 416’ers sense of entitlement ?
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It leads towards a future where the Mississauga Transitway gets a number when it becomes a rail service (whether it's a continuation of Crosstown or not, I won't even guess at), and I think it's within the realm of reason that the GO lines will get numbers as well.

I mean, the names "Lakeshore East" and "Lakeshore West" are purely relative to Union Station, right? Part of what needs to happen in the decades to come is to break the old way of thinking that these lines only exist to get people to downtown Toronto.
 
warrens said:
I mean, the names "Lakeshore East" and "Lakeshore West" are purely relative to Union Station, right? Part of what needs to happen in the decades to come is to break the old way of thinking that these lines only exist to get people to downtown Toronto.
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It’s not relative to Union. Lakeshore Boulevard itself is divided between east and west at Yonge Street, like many of its cross-street thoroughfares are (Bloor, Dundas, Eglinton, St. Clair, Lawrence, etc.). This has been (somewhat) reflected in the naming of TTC subway stations east and west of the Yonge line, and standardized more recently in the renaming of Downsview as “Sheppard West”.
 
MisterF said:
You may be under the mistaken impression that municipal boundaries have anything to do with numbered mass transit lines.
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So MiWay lines 1-9, and 11+ are going to be bus routes, but the 10 is going to be a rapid transit line, because... ???

If matching the city's numbering scheme is not the name of the game here, why did they bother to renumber the 5 Avenue Road and 6 Bay buses a few years back to make space for the Eglinton and Finch LRT? I was under the impression that the "rule" was supposed to be that the lowest numbers were rapid transit lines. A superflous rule, but you can sort of see the logic in it, but if we're dumping a rapid transit line in a sea of bus routes, the whole rule goes out the window, and the information could have just as easily been communicated by numbering them 532 and 536, or just adopting the numbers 32 and 36. Their positions in the numbering pattern would be analogous to the Mississauga 10 being surrounded by bus routes.
 
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T3G said:
So MiWay lines 1-9, and 11+ are going to be bus routes, but the 10 is going to be a rapid transit line, because... ???

If matching the city's numbering scheme is not the name of the game here, why did they bother to renumber the 5 Avenue Road and 6 Bay buses a few years back to make space for the Eglinton and Finch LRT? I was under the impression that the "rule" was supposed to be that the lowest numbers were rapid transit lines. A superflous rule, but you can sort of see the logic in it, but if we're dumping a rapid transit line in a sea of bus routes, the whole rule goes out the window, and the information could have just as easily been communicated by numbering them 532 and 536, or just adopting the numbers 32 and 36. Their positions in the numbering pattern would be analogous to the Mississauga 10 being surrounded by bus routes.
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Maybe, Line 10 is a hint to Hurontario kind of being Hwy 10, and not in relation to any Toronto line numbering.

Not that I have anything against MT renumbering its bus routes. But with them only having 1 rapid transit line so far, they may not feel much pressure to do so.
 
warrens said:
It leads towards a future where the Mississauga Transitway gets a number when it becomes a rail service (whether it's a continuation of Crosstown or not, I won't even guess at), and I think it's within the realm of reason that the GO lines will get numbers as well.

I mean, the names "Lakeshore East" and "Lakeshore West" are purely relative to Union Station, right? Part of what needs to happen in the decades to come is to break the old way of thinking that these lines only exist to get people to downtown Toronto.
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The GO Lines will likely be lettered not numbered. This is already in Metrolinx wayfinding documents, but I suspect they are waiting until the build-out of the RER network.
 
Rainforest said:
Maybe, Line 10 is a hint to Hurontario kind of being Hwy 10, and not in relation to any Toronto line numbering.

Not that I have anything against MT renumbering its bus routes. But with them only having 1 rapid transit line so far, they may not feel much pressure to do so.
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Yes Line 10 does refer to Hwy 10.

I'm not sure how they will number Dundas BRT line that is the 2nd Rapid Transit line for the city that is to see some early construction this year with full construction in 2025. Dundas was called Hwy 5.

In fact, Mississauga Transitway was the first Rapid Line even though it has two missing sections at this time that are been looked at now as to how to fix them.

Anyway, ML oversees how lines will be numbered, not local systems. Local systems will have to change existing route numbers for ML numbers.

JasonParis said:
The GO Lines will likely be lettered not numbered. This is already in Metrolinx wayfinding documents, but I suspect they are waiting until the build-out of the RER network.
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I will take the A line while you take the C line.
 
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