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the article pointed back to the first presentation by metrolinx back in september: https://assets.metrolinx.com/image/...x/ECLRT_Briefing_Deck_-_September_27_2023.pdf

comparing to what Phil said at the board meeting...

Site Acceptance Testing at 91.4% up from 66.4%
System Integration Testing from 6.4% to 69.2%
Occupancy Permits from 13 to 36 out of 40
Construction Certificates from 0 to 5 out of 46

Yeaaa. thats not great
 
generalcanada said:
the article pointed back to the first presentation by metrolinx back in september: https://assets.metrolinx.com/image/...x/ECLRT_Briefing_Deck_-_September_27_2023.pdf

comparing to what Phil said at the board meeting...

Site Acceptance Testing at 91.4% up from 66.4%
System Integration Testing from 6.4% to 69.2%
Occupancy Permits from 13 to 36 out of 40
Construction Certificates from 0 to 5 out of 46

Yeaaa. thats not great
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Not great but progress. I think 2024 is likely not feasible but hoping it opens in 2025!
 
Steve X said:
My suggestion to the TTC: just cancel the 34 Eglinton parallel bus service. Avenue to Yonge is already gridlocked in rush hour with this one lane per direction design. They are just extending this all the way to Keele so nothing moves.
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I never understood the need for a parallel bus service when the LRT stops are about 800m apart. It’s not that much of a walk for able bodied and for those with mobility issues they can take wheel trans or an Uber. Sorry but public transit should be designed for the majority and not to please everyone in every circumstance. Just like the Yonge bus is pretty useless except for when it’s replacing the subway. The Eglinton 34 bus is not needed at all once the LRT opens except as a replacement during track work.
 
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lead82 said:
I never understood the need for a parallel bus service when the LRT stops are about 800m apart. It’s not that much of a walk for able bodied and for those with mobility issues they can take wheel trans or an Uber. Sorry but public transit should be designed for the majority and not to please everyone in every circumstance. Just like the Yonge bus is pretty useless except for when it’s replacing the subway. The Eglinton 34 bus is not needed at all once the LRT opens except as a replacement during track work.
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The Yonge bus started running in 1954, and I'm sure that if it served no purpose some city administration would have cut it by now.
It makes perfect sense to operate a surface bus on Eglinton for a period after the Crosstown opens to gauge the demand. Lots of room to adjust frequency and timing once there is ridership experience.
Your suggestion that the less than able bodied take an Uber is pretty condescending. Those that need the surface bus need it a lot.
Four or five buses versus a load of Ubers and Wheeltrans is a lot better use of street capacity.
- Paul
 
Yes. How is it that other cities seem to deal with this and not have parallel overlapping service.
 
crs1026 said:
The Yonge bus started running in 1954, and I'm sure that if it served no purpose some city administration would have cut it by now.
It makes perfect sense to operate a surface bus on Eglinton for a period after the Crosstown opens to gauge the demand. Lots of room to adjust frequency and timing once there is ridership experience.
Your suggestion that the less than able bodied take an Uber is pretty condescending. Those that need the surface bus need it a lot.
Four or five buses versus a load of Ubers and Wheeltrans is a lot better use of street capacity.
- Paul
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Honestly I'm torn; this take really seems the most accurate, but it leaves the lack of a full time bus on Bloor / Danforth the major oddity. I really have to wonder if the best approach might not be to seriously de-emphasize the actual duplicative routes but beef up and in some cases create nearby parallels that can be completely dedicate to the ultra local role.
 
lead82 said:
Yes. How is it that other cities seem to deal with this and not have parallel overlapping service.
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Is there a particular city you have in mind that you think we should emulate?

Our closest relation, New York, for example, has many bus lines that operate on top of streets that subways run under. Prague does the same thing, but with trams. If one looks at maps of transit out in the far flung suburban areas, these might seem lacking as compared to the core, but that goes to show you that even cities with better transit than ours can always do better.

And if you are aware of the factors that I pointed out, why suggest Wheel-Trans or Uber as a workable alternative in the first place?!
 
lead82 said:
I never understood the need for a parallel bus service when the LRT stops are about 800m apart. It’s not that much of a walk for able bodied and for those with mobility issues they can take wheel trans or an Uber. Sorry but public transit should be designed for the majority and not to please everyone in every circumstance. Just like the Yonge bus is pretty useless except for when it’s replacing the subway. The Eglinton 34 bus is not needed at all once the LRT opens except as a replacement during track work.
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ask someone with a walker who is a slow walker as well someone with a cane or a wheelchairs. If you have young children, try walking that distance with then a few time.

the 34 will have a bitch of a time traveling that single lane
 
Parallel bus on Eglinton, at least between Don Mills and the west end, is consistent with TTC standards.

Yonge and Sheppard lines: distances between the stations are up to 2 km, parallel bus service exists.

Bloor - Danforth line (between Kipling and Main Street): distances are 800 m or less, no parallel bus.

On Eglinton, distances will be up to 1.1 km (I don't even count Leslie to Don Mills, which is 2 km but with no users). Thus, a parallel bus is needed.

Now, one concern is how that bus will manage in mixed traffic. The city planners got so busy reducing the car lanes on Eglinton, they forgot that the bus needs to make it from one end to the other somehow.
 
ARG1 said:
ATP is a completely different beast from ATO, it's not comparable.
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This is simply not true. ATP is a primary component of ATC & ATO systems. Automatic Train Protection is a type of Communications-Based Train Control system and if it's the only component installed operates at Grade-of-Automation Level 1. Line 1 and 5 use ATC or Automatic Train Control. Automatic Train Control on Lines 1 and 5 has, as it's base component, ATP, and operates at Grade-of-Automation Level 2. Line 3 Ontario will use ATO or Automatic Train Operation in Unattended Train Operation mode, which is Grade-of-Automation Level 4. ATO also has ATP as it's base component. The former Scarborough RT operated at Grade-of-Automation Level 3 and also had ATP as one of it's component systems.
 
I keep opening this thread hoping for the UT inside perspective on an opening date. +/- a month.

Will I have a news pop up on phone first or will I find see it here first? 50/50 chance. Much better odds than guessing a date.

It is sounding closer and closer everyday……. and then further away.
 
mburrrrr said:
I keep opening this thread hoping for the UT inside perspective on an opening date. +/- a month.

Will I have a news pop up on phone first or will I find see it here first? 50/50 chance. Much better odds than guessing a date.

It is sounding closer and closer everyday……. and then further away.
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Our best hint for an imminent announcement will be a Province of Ontario media advisory with the Premier, Minister of Transport, all PC local MPPs, Mayor Chow, numerous Councillors included.
 
drum118 said:
ask someone with a walker who is a slow walker as well someone with a cane or a wheelchairs. If you have young children, try walking that distance with then a few time.

the 34 will have a bitch of a time traveling that single lane
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I have young kids and we walk 400-1km distances all the time. It’s a weird North American thing to not walk and it’s why lots of folks on this continent have mobility issues - use it or loose it sadly. I see people who live 500m from a store drive and park on Yonge to get to the store. It’s mad.

My point about the parallel bus service is that Eglinton is similar to Danforth and line 2 has no parallel service and a similar stop spacing. So why does Danforth not have it but Eglinton will? What makes Eglinton special.
 
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