News   GLOBAL  |  Apr 02, 2020
A Message to Our Readers
 10K     0 
News   GLOBAL  |  Apr 01, 2020
EarthCam Time-Lapse Documents Rafael Viñoly-Designed New Stanford Hospital Construction
 42K     0 
News   GLOBAL  |  Apr 01, 2020
Resort Town
 6.1K     0 

crs1026 said:

Eglinton Line 5 | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx | Arcadis

Why do people seem to think that there are going to be cars somehow ending up on the tracks?This isn't as poorly designed as Queens Quay was when waterfront Toronto made a mess of it. I care about the platforms, where there will be people waiting, the stops are at intersections which is where...
urbantoronto.ca urbantoronto.ca


Not disputing your source, but "completely rebuilt" is a very ambiguous description. Platform the wrong height? Clearance between platform and cars not as per spec? Barriers or posts marking door openings/barriers to between car spaces in the wrong location? One-of variances or full length of the platforms out of spec?

We know of individual bits of rework but those were generally one-of spot variances.

This sent me back hunting for the early video of the underground section. It's here. One would expect that any such defect would be minor, or the amount of testing and car shuffling to date would have been impaired. Makes me think that if true, this rework isn't what's holding things up.

- Paul
Click to expand...
it's legitimately crazy that there is a video of a train going end to end of the tunnel in November 2021 (probably filmed earlier) and yet in February 2025 there is still no end date announced.
 
UrbanAffair said:
Not sure if news or not, or if reported in the 1727 prior pages, but I heard from someone who has an informed contact at MX, that the issue for hold up was 6 stations with platforms that weren't aligned with doors. (If I understood correctly.)
They said this line will open this year, but it was a big screw up obviously and those platforms had to be completely rebuilt. Again, this is hearsay, so take it with a grain of salt.
They also said Line 6 will open before Line 5. I have not vetted this info, just sharing what I heard.
Click to expand...
Perhaps that would be a much easier hold up to solve than signalling software issues
 
UrbanAffair said:
Not sure if news or not, or if reported in the 1727 prior pages, but I heard from someone who has an informed contact at MX, that the issue for hold up was 6 stations with platforms that weren't aligned with doors. (If I understood correctly.)
They said this line will open this year, but it was a big screw up obviously and those platforms had to be completely rebuilt. Again, this is hearsay, so take it with a grain of salt.
They also said Line 6 will open before Line 5. I have not vetted this info, just sharing what I heard.
Click to expand...

crs1026 said:

Eglinton Line 5 | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx | Arcadis

Why do people seem to think that there are going to be cars somehow ending up on the tracks?This isn't as poorly designed as Queens Quay was when waterfront Toronto made a mess of it. I care about the platforms, where there will be people waiting, the stops are at intersections which is where...
urbantoronto.ca urbantoronto.ca


Not disputing your source, but "completely rebuilt" is a very ambiguous description. Platform the wrong height? Clearance between platform and cars not as per spec? Barriers or posts marking door openings/barriers to between car spaces in the wrong location? One-of variances or full length of the platforms out of spec?

We know of individual bits of rework but those were generally one-of spot variances.

This sent me back hunting for the early video of the underground section. It's here. One would expect that any such defect would be minor, or the amount of testing and car shuffling to date would have been impaired. Makes me think that if true, this rework isn't what's holding things up.

- Paul
Click to expand...

Could it just be this, which was posted earlier?

 
crs1026 said:

Eglinton Line 5 | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx | Arcadis

Why do people seem to think that there are going to be cars somehow ending up on the tracks?This isn't as poorly designed as Queens Quay was when waterfront Toronto made a mess of it. I care about the platforms, where there will be people waiting, the stops are at intersections which is where...
urbantoronto.ca urbantoronto.ca


Not disputing your source, but "completely rebuilt" is a very ambiguous description. Platform the wrong height? Clearance between platform and cars not as per spec? Barriers or posts marking door openings/barriers to between car spaces in the wrong location? One-of variances or full length of the platforms out of spec?

We know of individual bits of rework but those were generally one-of spot variances.

This sent me back hunting for the early video of the underground section. It's here. One would expect that any such defect would be minor, or the amount of testing and car shuffling to date would have been impaired. Makes me think that if true, this rework isn't what's holding things up.

- Paul
Click to expand...
For sure. I have no answers, it's only what I heard from what I would deem to be a semi-reliable source. I didn't ask which stations, but I sort of assumed (perhaps wrongly) that they were referring to the outdoor stations, which would take some time, but maybe not this much time?

The bigger question to me, is why would MX not just be forthcoming about this, if indeed the case? I think people would hold them in a higher PR light, if they were transparent about the issues.
 
I can't speak to platform specs.

I can say there is another issue involved in the current delays. I believe most of the information indicating that is in thread.

The issue is one that has delayed finishing operator training.
 
UrbanAffair said:
The bigger question to me, is why would MX not just be forthcoming about this, if indeed the case? I think people would hold them in a higher PR light, if they were transparent about the issues.
Click to expand...

Isn't the lack of transparency forced upon Metrolinx by the Ontario government? I forget how long ago something like that was in the news . . . almost definitely before the promise of periodic updates + at least 3 months' notice before opening, but not sure of the timeline.
 
So in summary based on what we know from insiders on this thread:

Crosstown 2025?

1. Signal issues holding up operator training (probably biggest factor)
2. Some surface stop concrete work (probably not a big deal)

Anything I missed?
 
I'm not confident in 2025, especially if they haven't finished operator training.

Looking at the examples of the REM and Ottawa's Line 2, both systems had ever increasing trains running for almost a year in both cases before they opened. Ottawa finished operator training in June 2024, and only opened last month.

If it was going to open this summer for example, you'd be seeing trains running at least every 10 minutes or most days by now

There's been sporadic trains on the crosstown, but not the constant traffic you would see on a buildup to opening.

I'm not sure if it's true in the crosstown case, but Ottawa had trouble with retention of operators through the training period, which might still be one of the factors holding back full 7 day service.

Finch also seems like it's far off, as there's not enough operators there either.
 
Last edited:
Kyle Campbell said:
I'm not confident in 2025, especially if they haven't finished operator training.

Looking at the examples of the REM and Ottawa's Line 2, both systems had ever increasing trains running for almost a year in both cases before they opened. Ottawa finished operator training in June 2024, and only opened last month.

If it was going to open this summer for example, you'd be seeing trains running at least every 10 minutes or most days by now

There's been sporadic trains on the crosstown, but not the constant traffic you would see on a buildup to opening.

I'm not sure if it's true in the crosstown case, but Ottawa had trouble with retention of operators through the training period, which might still be one of the factors holding back full 7 day service.

Finch also seems like it's far off, as there's not enough operators there either.
Click to expand...

Were they running trains every 10 minutes in 2024 when they were doing the training classes?

Perhaps the surface level work is preventing for frequent testing, and we only get to see the testing that happens on the surface.
 
TOtramz said:
Were they running trains every 10 minutes in 2024 when they were doing the training classes?

Perhaps the surface level work is preventing for frequent testing, and we only get to see the testing that happens on the surface.
Click to expand...
Are your referencing Ottawa or Toronto here. In Ottawa's case, they were running trains as fast as they could for months, starting actually in late 2023. By 2024 during training they were running at full frequency for maybe 8-10 hours a day. They would stop and construction workers would do stuff for a few days, then it would just start again.

The crosstown had some burts of frequent trains, but it seems (at least from afar) quiet now. REM was similar with ever increasing frequency. You should see trains literally all the time right now if it was opening say 6-9 months from now. The only time it stopped was when they announced the real service test, and there was no trains for a few weeks until the real test began
 
Kyle Campbell said:
Are your referencing Ottawa or Toronto here. In Ottawa's case, they were running trains as fast as they could for months, starting actually in late 2023. By 2024 during training they were running at full frequency for maybe 8-10 hours a day. They would stop and construction workers would do stuff for a few days, then it would just start again.

The crosstown had some burts of frequent trains, but it seems (at least from afar) quiet now. REM was similar with ever increasing frequency. You should see trains literally all the time right now if it was opening say 6-9 months from now. The only time it stopped was when they announced the real service test, and there was no trains for a few weeks until the real test began
Click to expand...
I was specifically referring to the crosstown and what we have seen for the past few years.
 
Kyle Campbell said:
You should see trains literally all the time right now if it was opening say 6-9 months from now.
Click to expand...
I still say the Crosstown has a soft opening in Spring 2026, followed by a rapid succession of O-Train scale failures that require 2-3 months reduced service.

If Ford loses this election we'd see four Premiers and three Mayors overseeing this project since ground was first dug in Aug 2011.
 
You must log in or register to post here.

Back
Top