denfromoakvillemilton
Senior Member
Brooklyn Queens Subway line.
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Brooklyn Queens Subway line.
LNahid2000
Senior Member
I was on the subway today and the train stopped at Eglinton Station for almost 4 minutes!
BurlOak
Senior Member
I have e-mailed.
Someone needs to get approval from David Miller to make the change to South Side Allignment between Brentcliffe and DM. Transit voting in Toronto is more about politics than about transit.
I think it would:
1) Be less disruptive to traffic during construction.
2) Be less disruptive to traffic during service.
3) Be easier to build the Station at Don Mills.
4) Be easier to integrate a DRL at Eglinton.
5) Allow for incrreased service for the busier DM to Yonge portion with short turns at DM and not Laird.
Riverdale Rink Rat
Senior Member
I'm genuinely curious -- other than a 'transit is about politics in Toronto' dismissal, why would numerous transit engineers draw up plans for this section of the east Eglinton LRT route, and not hit on your 'obvious' choice? Would construction costs be prohibitive? Re-routing cause expensive issues with the tunnel after Laird (e.g. having to move the tunnel mouth to the south side as well?) Maybe my faith is misplaced, but I tend to think that traffic engineers aren't stupid, and they've been working on this route for many years. Why would they miss something so obvious to you?
BurlOak
Senior Member
I could not read anything about why the side of road alignment is not possible or not economical. My guess is that the marching orders for Transit City were to put the LRT in the median unless the road was too narrow to accomodate it. At Sheppard, I seemed to read a a lot more options that were considered (either stated and dismissed outright or fully studied), but nothing on this stretch.
Neil
Active Member
Cost. I agree that south of road is a better idea here but it will cost more money and I think the designers were told to keep costs down wherever possible. TTC engineers do seem to be rather ignorant though on road operations. Other examples: left turn configuration on this line, Don Mills bus station location on this line, single lane under Georgetown line on St Clair...
CDL.TO
Moderator
Steve Munro has lamented that Transit City planning worked on the fundamental premise of "always in the middle of the street (except the Eglinton tunnel)" and complained that side-of-street alignments were never considered.
If you attended the Transit City EA public sessions and chatted with the staff on hand, it was very clear that considering alternatives was a minor part of the process, particularly when compared to the full, non-expedited EA process. The question became how to deal with the pre-determined median alignment resulting in some interesting design concepts with "jug handles" and "Michigan lefts".
If you attended the Transit City EA public sessions and chatted with the staff on hand, it was very clear that considering alternatives was a minor part of the process, particularly when compared to the full, non-expedited EA process. The question became how to deal with the pre-determined median alignment resulting in some interesting design concepts with "jug handles" and "Michigan lefts".
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Rainforest
Senior Member
Transit engineers aren't stupid. However, note that the design team pretended to maintain a dialog with the residents and general public, and they did explain some other design choices that they made. Since the south-side-of-road option for that section is 'obvious' for a laymen, one would expect that the design team would use the open houses to explain why it was rejected.
Since they chose not to mention it, I suspect that it was not analyzed in any detail.
Voltz
Senior Member
My guess is since Don Mills station was not planned to be underground from the beginning, it was decided on later , the design for the portal would have been decided on and they never bothered to revisit it. Putting the alignment on the south side until Don Mills would have only made sense with that station under ground as there would need to be a location for the line to switch over to the centre of the road.
GenerationW
Senior Member
Some would say it wasn't part of the process at all.
Palma
Senior Member
I was listenign to Rob Ford In the City today and a caller said there is something in the municipal act that would allow them to issue a bond for up to 40 years. Charge 1% above prevailing interest rate and the bond would sell out and then instant funding for Sheppard subway. Offer an option that it is redeemable after 10 years. Then he said in a few years interest rates will be higher than the interest rate offered on the bond. Ya bond holders will be happy about that. But should Rob Ford and company not have looked at this option.
And then this guy called in to say if there is a delay than the streetcars get stacked up. But Sheppard is to have a ROW so it will not be held up by that 1 car with a lone driver. And the usual, all the calls for Ford and subways. Its strange these callers do not call in on the other shows yet on In The City its a constant barage of them calling and they are all for Ford. It must be a set-up - all the calls are lined up. After the vote on Wed - if it goes for LRT, what will Ford then talk about on the show. And one guy calls about whats next fro council - building more bike lanes? Ford tells him no more bike lanes will be built
And then this guy called in to say if there is a delay than the streetcars get stacked up. But Sheppard is to have a ROW so it will not be held up by that 1 car with a lone driver. And the usual, all the calls for Ford and subways. Its strange these callers do not call in on the other shows yet on In The City its a constant barage of them calling and they are all for Ford. It must be a set-up - all the calls are lined up. After the vote on Wed - if it goes for LRT, what will Ford then talk about on the show. And one guy calls about whats next fro council - building more bike lanes? Ford tells him no more bike lanes will be built
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spider
Senior Member
The Leslie at Eglinton intersection will have to address the merging of the Lawrence E #54 line with the new construction alignment but I haven't noticed any discussion of this junction. I have read that there may be no stop at all at Leslie and the #54 can be re-routed south on Don Mills rather than Leslie but this would deny service to all the industries on Leslie. Have I missed something?
rbt
Senior Member
Ford has ranted about at length on many occassions that we need to decrease our city debt load. Taking on Sheppard without an increase in revenue would very likely decrease our credit rating which brings us to "the city has a revenue problem, not a spending problem".
Anyway, the city issues bonds all the time. It's how we are buying replacement streetcars and generally manage the debt.
Solid Snake
Active Member
http://www.newstalk1010.com/Episodes.aspx?PID=2443
mayor Ford radio show on the next transit vote and the callers opinions on the matter
mayor Ford radio show on the next transit vote and the callers opinions on the matter
Palma
Senior Member
How is it all those callers to ford are on his side and most from scarborough?