M II A II R II K
Senior Member
And that goes for the other lines as well.
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andrewpmk
Senior Member
This is the major advantage of the Rob Ford proposal (where the SRT and Eglinton would have been interlined and Eglinton fully grade separated, resulting in a huge increase in ridership on Eglinton).
I think it would be a very good idea to push double tracking/high frequency service on Stouffville GO. This would cause ridership on the SRT to go down by a sufficient amount that interlining with a non grade separated Eglinton line would be practical. A lot of the traffic on the SRT would switch to using Stouffville GO to get to northeastern Scarborough, and it would provide a very useful north south connection to Markham.
nfitz
Superstar
Diverting traffic currently using the B-D to instead use Eglinton, and a very busy section of the Yonge line is an advantage?
The Eglinton line isn't intended as a BD-relief line. It would only function as such, because it would have wider stop spacings than Danforth.
If we need to relieve the BD line from Kennedy to Yonge, then use the Stouffville GO service, which runs non-stop from Kennedy to Union in 19 minutes - hopefully faster once it's electrified.
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Monarch Butterfly
Superstar
Chaplin Station already had its Open House on its Preliminary Design. Click on this link to download the PDF.
sixrings
Senior Member
Still rumored to go. Munro has it on his website on a recent post. I think he has a good tip.
car4041
Active Member
I can't find this post; could you link it?
sixrings
Senior Member
I'm in class I can look tonight. It might have been in a recent q&a
Palma
Senior Member
WEll if they are dropping those 2 stations it should be less expensive to build the LRT on Eglinton then. So where is this extra money going to go? Plus do the residents of those 2 areas know this?
sixrings
Senior Member
I'm a resident and on my list of to do tomorrow is to call josh and mike collection and get some answers on this and the Lawrence heights revitalization plan.
Solid Snake
Active Member
The advantage was providing a rapid transit line uptown from Jane to STC in 35min. That's truly fast and potentially to the Airport like Chicago does.
What about future growth on the corridor? Attracting more residents and businesses increasing the density along the corridor. It makes senses to me to build an infrastructure that will accommodate future ridership.
What do we have now? A line split in 2 which drops drastically the ridership. Metrolinx numbers did show that Eglinton-STC crosstown would attract enough ridership to justify "a fully grade separated rapid transit line"
So what it takes people off the Bloor-Danforth line? What's that obsession of thinking that a successful subway line has to be either "overcapacity" or "needing extra personnel to put people in trains like at Bloor-Yonge"???
The extra pressure on the Yonge line would just force the hand of our politicians to push the DRL to Eglinton. Just look at the study by Metrolinx to relieve Union Station. They are willing to build from Pape to Exhibition because Union will be at overcapacity. That's what it takes to have something build in this country.
When you invest that many billions into transit, think about the next generation, not only the first 10 years of operation. Toronto will grow and won't stop growing.
Where in any Metrolinx publications do you see that Eglinton "fully underground" was ever meant to be a Bloor Danforth line relief?
The number one objective of that line was to add another rapid transit line going from East to West allowing people to go from one part to the other at high speed.Diverting ridership from the B-D line is a side effect.
I just came back from my first trip to Chicago and our 2 rapid transit lines is just shameful and a reminder of how much politicians failed us over the decades on the transit agenda.
We need more rapid transit line. Period
It's been said here on so many occasions...So I'll repeat. TTC riders WILL NOT pay the extra fare to take the GO within their own city.
Presto won't change that since in Montreal they have the OPUS card and Montrealers use the STM, not the AMT trains for trips within the city.
They wont use the GO no matter how much you want it...
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CDL.TO
Moderator
With a fully underground (or otherwise grade-separated) Eglinton concept, there was an expectation that it could help RELIEVE the Yonge line. (All else being equal.)
Right now, ALL transfers between east-west rapid transit and the Yonge line occur at Bloor-Yonge. If that traffic was split into two locations (with SRT users traferring at Eglinton), congestion at Bloor-Yonge would be relieved. This would allow for the dwell time at Bloor to be reduced, with dwell times there being one of the great barriers to increased frequency on Yonge.
Bloor-Eglinton would be busier, but overall crowding would be reduced.
Right now, ALL transfers between east-west rapid transit and the Yonge line occur at Bloor-Yonge. If that traffic was split into two locations (with SRT users traferring at Eglinton), congestion at Bloor-Yonge would be relieved. This would allow for the dwell time at Bloor to be reduced, with dwell times there being one of the great barriers to increased frequency on Yonge.
Bloor-Eglinton would be busier, but overall crowding would be reduced.
Solid Snake
Active Member
And also the fact that it would cross both branch of the YUS line is not to be neglected which is why I always supported the Sheppard Line being fully completed
nfitz
Superstar
Andrewpnk was saying something along the lines of it was good that Eglinton underground gained so many more passengers. As TTC demonstrated that these passengers were mostly being diverted from the Bloor Danforth line, then it's clear that under the Metrolinx-Ford plan, Eglinton was acting as a Bloor Danforth relief line. Whether Metrolinx called it this or not wasn't my point.
As I've said on so many occasions...So I'll repeat. Fare integration would be necessary between TTC and GO.
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Dan416
Senior Member
You honestly think GO/TTC fare integration is anywhere on the horizon? I hope you're right, but highly, highly doubt it.
TheTigerMaster
Superstar
An even better idea is to have fare integration with all GTA transit agencies.