These aren't bad ! But I have a feeling VCC will suffer from what World on Yonge does ... whereas downtown Markham should come out on top, in the sense of actually producing some at the human scale, less a large enclosed shopping center (again, picture world on yonge).
 
I think Vaughan Metro Centre could be a huge success, as long as nobody is expecting it to be urban in any real way. The City put out a great video on their vision for the area--clearly this will never happen. But it could become a very nice high-density suburb for commuters.
 
Waterloo_Guy said:
I think Vaughan Metro Centre could be a huge success, as long as nobody is expecting it to be urban in any real way.
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So if we all lower our expectations and simply call this "vertical sprawl", then it will be successful. Yay.
 
salsa said:
So if we all lower our expectations and simply call this "vertical sprawl", then it will be successful. Yay.
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Not at all. There is sometimes an assumption that urbanism is a universal good and anything else is bad. This area isn't midtown and never will be. But that's not its role. You can intensify without urbanizing and it serves a purpose. Wee see it in MCC and Markham.
 
Not sure I completely agree, it seems Markham is going for a different vibe ... time will tell !
 
Waterloo_Guy said:
Not at all. There is sometimes an assumption that urbanism is a universal good and anything else is bad. This area isn't midtown and never will be. But that's not its role. You can intensify without urbanizing and it serves a purpose. Wee see it in MCC and Markham.
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Whoops, I see another false equivalence debate unfolding: MCC is just as fine as the St Lawrence neighbourhood; suburban Atlanta is no less lovely than Prague. Discuss.

Personally, I'm not buying it. Suburban sprawl brought to you by GM, Ford and Esso is the worst thing to ever happen to this continent. (Not counting the systemic annihilation of the natives which is a whole other topic). Dense, suburban dreck isn't much better. People are not going to walk around much in a sterile, soulless environment. A few people will take the subway to go to work, but everything else will be car, car, car.
 
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Irishmonk said:
Whoops, I see another false equivalence debate unfolding: MCC is just as fine as the St Lawrence neighbourhood; suburban Atlanta is no less lovely than Prague. Discuss.

Personally, I'm not buying it. Suburban sprawl brought to you by GM, Ford and Esso is the worst thing to ever happen to this continent. (Not counting the systemic annihilation of the natives which is a whole other topic). Dense, suburban dreck isn't much better. People are not going to walk around much in a sterile, soulless environment. A few people will take the subway to go to work, but everything else will be car, car, car.
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If you don't know what the term 'false equivalence' means, then don't use it. And your self-righteous indignation over the natives is off topic.

Perhaps you should read my comment before disagreeing with it. I'm saying that there is nothing wrong with the suburban lifestyle. Some people like living in the suburbs and driving places. They enjoy the 'dreck.' Not everyone wants an urban lifestyle. There's nothing wrong with suburbs.
 
Waterloo_Guy said:
If you don't know what the term 'false equivalence' means, then don't use it. And your self-righteous indignation over the natives is off topic.

Perhaps you should read my comment before disagreeing with it. I'm saying that there is nothing wrong with the suburban lifestyle. Some people like living in the suburbs and driving places. They enjoy the 'dreck.' Not everyone wants an urban lifestyle. There's nothing wrong with suburbs.
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Empirically untrue.
 
ProjectEnd said:
Empirically untrue.
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Nope. The opposition to suburbs is ideological. It's based on the priorities and values of some people. Some people like the suburbs. They are tolerant of congestion, commute times, harmful carbon emissions, climate change, and whatever else.

Cars ans roads exist for a reason. Some people like them.
 
Waterloo_Guy, you do realize that your rants are as tiring and unproductive as the posts you are contending with, right?
 
Honestly this looks good!; But I'm not so sure how the ground floor retail will work.
 
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