I do think Living Arts is the best choice. Duke of York puts it too far from the density on the west side of the Downtown and Confederation Parkway is a bit too far west IMO and causes traffic issues along the north-south arterial.
 
Lake Ontario said:
More information on the Downtown Loop:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1680233667917148161

Downtown Loop alignment options include: Duke of York Boulevard, Living Arts Drive, and Confederation Parkway.

During the earlier stages of planning, Living Arts Dr. used to be the preferred alignment for downtown loop before it was relocated along Duke of York Blvd, then ultimately deferred.
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Too bad they aren't looking far ahead enough to Transitway LRT conversion. They could solve a lot of the operational problems with the loop by just having it be covered by a new east-west LRT corridor instead.
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duffo said:
Too bad they aren't looking far ahead enough to Transitway LRT conversion. They could solve a lot of the operational problems with the loop by just having it be covered by a new east-west LRT corridor instead.
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What decade do expect to see the Transitway being converted to Mixed BRT/LRT?? The current ridership cannot support one now nor will it meet the 2004 EA projected numbers by 2040
 
duffo said:
Too bad they aren't looking far ahead enough to Transitway LRT conversion. They could solve a lot of the operational problems with the loop by just having it be covered by a new east-west LRT corridor instead.
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The Transitway's location makes its success highly dependent on buses that can join and leave the corridor wherever. As an LRT it loses that ability. There's really only adjacent catchment on the portion in the east adjacent to Eglinton Avenue.
 
adys123 said:
The Transitway's location makes its success highly dependent on buses that can join and leave the corridor wherever. As an LRT it loses that ability. There's really only adjacent catchment on the portion in the east adjacent to Eglinton Avenue.
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There are only 3 routes along the entire Transitway that actually use the Transitway (Not including GO Transit).

That was certainly the initial thought behind it, but it never really became that.
 
adys123 said:
The Transitway's location makes its success highly dependent on buses that can join and leave the corridor wherever. As an LRT it loses that ability. There's really only adjacent catchment on the portion in the east adjacent to Eglinton Avenue.
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The Transitway is a GO thing starting with the 2004 EA that call for 25,000 riders at peak time by 2020 and it turn out for GO Only. It was to be part of a bigger system from Hamilton to Oshawa using the Finch Hydro Corridor that is dead now as well using the 407 from Mississauga to Hamilton.

Mississauga Transit runs mainly 107 from CCTT to Humber college, 109 from Meadowvale to Kipling and 110 from CCTT to Erin Mills as express buses. Route 100 is dead now and never made sense in the first place. Ridership falls at South Common Mall and mainly dead to Clarkson GO Station.
 
The only useful LRT conversion of the transitway I can see happening is if it's converted as an extension of the Eglinton line. If it exists as a stub line from Renforth that linear transfer wouldn't be the worst but would definitely hurt ridership. Ideally, it could have a wye letting half of trains continue into Toronto, and the other half headed for Pearson.
 
KhalilHeron said:
The only useful LRT conversion of the transitway I can see happening is if it's converted as an extension of the Eglinton line. If it exists as a stub line from Renforth that linear transfer wouldn't be the worst but would definitely hurt ridership. Ideally, it could have a wye letting half of trains continue into Toronto, and the other half headed for Pearson.
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Line 5 can be extended To Sq One easy as it can be built as an mixed BRT/LRT ROW with 10 minute headway. The existing bus routes would remain until the extension to the Airport where the 107 will start/stop at Renforth in place of Sq One.

109 will remain as is. as well 110. GO will be adding more buses to the Transitway to the point some of those buses may have to become LRT's as the Transitway will not handle the ridership numbers. Without digging up my EA report and going from memory, at 25,000 at peak time going west, GO Buses would be stopping at their stops every 15-20 seconds using DD buses with the bulk at Sq One.

The current routing to Sq One will change in the coming decade when the tunnel is built under Hurontario St like it was originally supposed to happen on day one to an new terminal underground on the north side of the existing terminal. The existing terminal and GO will move to an new location on the north side
 
SaugeenJunction said:
Great to see some major progress finally happening. Now if only they’d finish the GO tracks and lift the slow order which causes express trains to crawl through…
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They still have to build retaining walls on the north side as well extend the station to the corridor now the foundation for the push box has been removed You can see the roof been form for the station at the south end.

There are 2 retaining walls on the north side to support the shifting of the road to the west where the sidewalk use to be as well from the push box to it. Have said that, the track bridges can be remove anytime and rebuilding the tracks one at a time. May use Thanksgiving weekend as closure to do track replacements as well a few other weekends in the coming months.

The contractor is short manpower and why things have slow down to a crawl or at a stand still these days.
 
I honestly think they should have moved the bus terminal to Hurontario and Burnhamthorpe on the NW side, which is a huge parking lot. They would have had to expropriate that land, but whatever. Then keep the Hurontario LRT only on Hurontario, and build a Burnhamthorpe line for people west of Hurontario. Diverting the LRT through smaller streets is going to add a lot of travel time for people that don't need to go through the loop. It's going to cause more traffic and slow downs for transit and cars in that area for sure.
 
khris said:
I honestly think they should have moved the bus terminal to Hurontario and Burnhamthorpe on the NW side, which is a huge parking lot. They would have had to expropriate that land, but whatever. Then keep the Hurontario LRT only on Hurontario, and build a Burnhamthorpe line for people west of Hurontario. Diverting the LRT through smaller streets is going to add a lot of travel time for people that don't need to go through the loop. It's going to cause more traffic and slow downs for transit and cars in that area for sure.
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The loop will serve all the massive development on the west side of square one.
And will probably be the most used stops ont he line in the future
 
khris said:
I honestly think they should have moved the bus terminal to Hurontario and Burnhamthorpe on the NW side, which is a huge parking lot. They would have had to expropriate that land, but whatever. Then keep the Hurontario LRT only on Hurontario, and build a Burnhamthorpe line for people west of Hurontario. Diverting the LRT through smaller streets is going to add a lot of travel time for people that don't need to go through the loop. It's going to cause more traffic and slow downs for transit and cars in that area for sure.
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Make no mistake, the CCTT shouldve been relocated to front Hurontario but it's Mississauga so they dont really think about common sense things like this. The loop wouldnt even be a discussion, riders on the LRT would save time, and all that money they used to build an LRT stop at Square One could've been used instead to have a properly located bus terminal.
 
Obsidian said:
The loop will serve all the massive development on the west side of square one.
And will probably be the most used stops ont he line in the future
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They could have built a loop still, and had that be it's own line if they wanted to. The bus terminal is just in such an awkward place.
 
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