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Anywhere near Main/Hurontario south of downtown.
And how many more do we expect the LRT to deliver than the current public transit options?
I would say "not many more"
Anywhere near Main/Hurontario south of downtown.
im pretty dissappointed with all the Brampton folks here saying they dont want the LRT. I live in the Bramalea area and the LRT would mostly be useless to me and definately all-day GO train service would be better for me but from what I can see, having the LRT expand to Brampton GO, we gain a very important local rapid transit connection to the whole of Mississauga. Our zum line does this already but with LRT, there would be no more worrying about traffic delays and you get much more comfortable commute as well. Also, just the presence of an LRT line would just be further acceleration of our city's fast evolving transit system, help the intensification of downtown development and would make downtown Brampton into a major transit hub in the GTA -- with connections to the Queen BRT, Hurontario LRT, and the GO Train. Us oppposing this would and succeeding in that would be a huge defeat for transit in Brampton. In a few years after the LRT is complete, Im sure we will start complaining and asking for an extension if the LRT is completed only to the Brampton border.
There's a few in the old Town of Brampton area on Main Street South, but it's not just Brampton: the part of Hurontario south of the QEW in the Mineola and Port Credit areas of Mississauga that aren't happy either.
^it's coming to Brampton too.
http://www.bramptonguardian.com/news/cityhall/article/1616825--lrt-vehicle-downtown-this-week-next
Interesting that it goes on display from Wednesday the 15th to Wednesday the 22 but will not be on display during the long weekend...you know, the time when most people might have time to go look at it.
What about the Town of Caledon? Its part of Peel Region, but without public transit of its own. Shouldn't the LRT at least stop at the border with Caledon, to allow for any future north extension?
LRT comes to the Square
And how many more do we expect the LRT to deliver than the current public transit options?
I would say "not many more"
But the LRT would deliver much more attractive and reliable service than the current Zum line.
Currently we have express GO buses that go to and from each GO train station and Union but people obviously want all day train service because the train is a much more attractive and reliable service, the same goes for the LRT. The GO train connects people to Union in a better way while this LRT will connect people to Mississauga in a better way.
I'll take this bit first, the question you responded to was quite specific and narrow in focus. It had been suggested that this LRT is necessary to deliver people to the Brampton GO station without cars given how short the parking situation is there. I wondered where these people are coming from and how many more would be attracted to take public transit to the Brampton GO as opposed to the currently available public transit. If you travel south of the GO station on Hurontario you don't see any residential until south of Wellington....pretty low density/high income stuff and for a good chunk of it pretty walkable....even if they were not willing to walk to the GO is the pickup in speed/efficiency of the LRT versus Zum? Is that where the riders who will feed into the Brampton GO station will come from? I don't think so.
You don't see any density until you get further south.....across the street from the old Brampton Mall there are a couple of apartment buildings (well, across Main and then across a parkette/creek...but kinda on Main(is)....is this where they are coming from? How many? A better question is...how many of them are finding that 6 minute (timed from Shoppers World) Zum ride to the Brampton GO station sooo inconvenient that all they are waiting for to convert to public transit is a shiny LRT that can do the journey in, what, 4 minutes? 3 minutes? Is that the threshold?
And that is pretty much it......you go through a bit of retail, a cop station and a courthouse and "bamb" you are at the 407.
Where are these people coming from that are going to feed into the Brampton GO station once the LRT is built but are not doing it now? Then the obvious follow up......whatever portion of the $1.6B cost of this line is in the Brampton section of it.....is that (considering all of the other transit needs in the region) worth prioritizing over?
It is a near analogy but not quite. All I have been saying is that the number 1 priority for transit in Brampton is all day two way GO train service. Not that other transit is not good but in setting priorities this is number 1. Compared to the LRT it serves far more people in Brampton than the LRT ever will (it diagonally disects the city from the south east to the northwest and is easily connectable to most Bramptonians either by car or by any number of local and Zum bus connections.
On a go-forward basis, it is also deliverable at a much lower cost.....yet Brampton is continually told they will have to wait until some undefined date to get this service. My suggestion was, simply, if Metrolinx wants/needs its LRT that has minimal value to Brampton so badly ....then implement the all day 7 day 2 way GO service first.
If the value (as some have suggested) to this LRT getting to Brampton GO station is from a network/connectivity point of view....how is that value affected by the key part of that network not operating at all on 28% of the days and on the other 72% only operating during peak times.?
The priorities are all wrong...but, hey, its only $1.6B.
Oh, Im sorry about that. I didn't actually see the original question. In that case, you're absolutely correct. LRT will attract some people in south Brampton near the LRT corridor to take it to Brampton GO but I doubt it would result in a surge in demand.
Your second response is also pretty accurate. For Brampton, all day GO service is a bigger priority than the LRT because more Bramptoners are going to Toronto than Mississauga and we already have alot of connections to Mississauga. But the LRT is a top priority for Mississauaga. Do we really want to force them to cut the LRT off at the border out of spite for our transit project being lower on the list? In a few years, we will be clamouring for that LRT to be expanded.
BramptonGuardianMay 9 said:“My staff does not support it. South of the city is gridlock,” McCallion said. “Our priority is from the lake to the city core because that is where the congestion is.
Im gonna try and make another analogy: If York Region ran its viva blue BRT route all the way down through downtown Toronto, Im sure they wouldn't (and shouldn't) oppose a subway expansion even if it is just a "stub" to Richmond Hill Centre. Again, I see the analogy is flawed because here Im talking about a connection to Toronto while in our case its a less important connection to Mississauga but it would be funny to see York Region oppose such a plan until they got all day GO service on their lines that cover alot more of York Region