I wonder what the practicality would be of, rather than having the LRT do a loop, simply build a little tram-like thing that ran along City Centre Dr to Confederation Parkway, then along Rathburn (hitting the transit terminal, and possibly even a relocated LRT transit terminal), then back onto City Centre Dr. It could even be a touristy type of thing, yet functional, like the San Francisco cable cars. That in my mind would be much more practical for thru-traffic then forcing a diversion around Square One.
 
JayBeeGooner said:
Agreed. Move the transit terminal closer to Hurontario.
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What exactly is the point of moving the transit terminal when:

A. The terminal was built for a connection to the BRT
B. There is no room a full GO BRT station at Hurontario
C. The current terminal is already operating well beyond its capacity, and
D. Almost every route using the terminal already intersects with the Hurontario corridor?
 
doady said:
What exactly is the point of moving the transit terminal when:

A. The terminal was built for a connection to the BRT
B. There is no room a full GO BRT station at Hurontario
C. The current terminal is already operating well beyond its capacity, and
D. Almost every route using the terminal already intersects with the Hurontario corridor?
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That is why:
A. No suggestion to move it south was made,
B. Closer to Hurontario was suggested,
C. New terminal is implied,
D. Having the Duke of York loop is a waste.
 
EnviroTO said:
That is why:
A. No suggestion to move it south was made,
B. Closer to Hurontario was suggested,
C. New terminal is implied,
D. Having the Duke of York loop is a waste.
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The Duke of York is not meant for connecting to CCTT, it's is meant for serving MCC as a whole, more specifically the new condo developments, a the possiblity of a circular loop route. No LRT connection to the existing terminal is needed. You are searching for a solution to a nonexistent problem.

Except for routes 6, 9, and 61, ALL EXISTING GO AND MIWAY BUS ROUTES IN MCC ALREADY INTERSECT WITH THE HURONTARIO CORRIDOR.

Bristol - 10, 65
Eglinton - 7, 34, 68
Rathburn - GO, 20, 21, 65, 107, 109, 110 (plus extended 6, 9, and 61 maybe to a new mini-loop at City Centre/Rathburn)
Robert Speck - 53, 76
Burnhamthorpe - 26
Elm/Central Parkway - 3, 8
John/Cooksville GO - 91
Queensway - 28/66

There is literally no reason at all to move the existing, overcrowded MiWay and GO bus terminals in MCC to even more cramped location closer to Hurontario. It just defies all logic.
 
Reccommendation report for Hurontario-Main LRT, Queen Street Rapid Transit, and a Queen Street master plan goes to Brampton's Committee of Council next week: HERE

If I'm reading correctly, it recommends:
- Mixed traffic use of the LRT in Heritage South Area
- Catenary-free design of LRT in Heritage South Area
- Through option of the LRT in Downtown Brampton
 
PDF doc public opinion was thatthe overhead wires and their supporting poles that are part of the
overhead catenary systemthat supplies power to the vehicles is unsightly andwould detract from the
character of the neighbourhood
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Why not string the wires between streetlights like TTC streetcar catenary? the wires themselves aren't particularly noticeable.
 
Transportfan said:
Why not string the wires between streetlights like TTC streetcar catenary? the wires themselves aren't particularly noticeable.
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You will see the wires regardless how they are connected and that is a problem as well cost.

There are many places in Europe where the support wires are attach to the buildings in place of poles. At the same time, they also don't have any overhead due to the area being historical and need a battery to travel that area. They are longer than Brampton my a mile. DC has a no wire zone for streetcars for almost a 100 years.

Other than 1 block in the downtown area between Queen St and the tracks, there is no need not to have overhead missing. This includes that 1 block.

The cost to have battery for that 1 block is too high as well having the LRV's costing more than TTC transit City and KW cars that are supposed to be used on this line.
 
Transportfan said:
You will still see the wires a bit (as I said, BTW), but come on, Main St. in Brampton hardly compares to Europe.
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Like I said, Brampton 1 block of no wires let alone 2 or 3 doesn't justify the cost to upgrade the LRV's to have battery in them for the whole system.

Brampton has a long way to go to match Europe, but there are places that do come close to Brampton.

You will see wires 100% regardless if they are connected to poles or buildings.

Its a small group in Brampton and council that don't want wires.
 
Transportfan said:
Why not string the wires between streetlights like TTC streetcar catenary? the wires themselves aren't particularly noticeable.
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Bombardier has their Primove option available for the LRV's. See this link.

Liberating trams from overhead lines

In many ways, light rail vehicles are the ultimate form of eMobility. Yet despite being clean, silent and convenient, they have always been hampered by one disadvantage – catenaries. Catenary power systems are complex to install, demanding to maintain and and clutter the urban space with unattractive infrastructure.

Thanks to PRIMOVE contactless charging, trams can now run without any need for unsightly poles and overhead cables. The energy source is moved underground and charges the vehicle via inductive power transfer. It now becomes possible to integrate light rail systems into urban areas where conventional catenary networks are prohibited or unwelcome – such as city centres, parks, gardens and protected heritage sites. The cityscape is left untouched, minimising visual pollution and improving the overall appeal of the city.
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[video=youtube_share;g_afs6Y83c8]http://youtu.be/g_afs6Y83c8[/video]

Warning: maybe considered to be gravy by non-transit users.
 
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drum118 said:
Like I said, Brampton 1 block of no wires let alone 2 or 3 doesn't justify the cost to upgrade the LRV's to have battery in them for the whole system.

Brampton has a long way to go to match Europe, but there are places that do come close to Brampton.
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Not sure who suggested DT Brampton is like Europe or if it is just an internet extrapolation.....DT Brampton is not like Europe but it is a very different space from the rest of Brampton.....and it has (in the opinion of some people) received an inordinate amount of civic investment in terms of, both, money and attention. The current politicos running the city, and the generation before them to be frank, have told us how important it is to invest in the core and to create an environment that encourages retailers and other businesses to locate in the area.

Civic money has been spent preserving the past in the form of the investments in the old court and jail, the Alderlea house and Gage Park and enhancing it with the new in the form of the current city hall and the expansion of same and the Rose Theatre and adjacent civic square/space.

To do anything that is, or is perceived to, impact what has been done, or has been tried to be done, would put them in questionable places from a municipal politics point of view (and that is very important to them in 2014 ;) ).


drum118 said:
Its a small group in Brampton and council that don't want wires.
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It may be a small group but is very powerful and influential. Partly because of what I said above but also because even though they are small in numbers they represent a very large percentage of the very small group, city wide, who support (or even care about) the stretch of this line that will be in Brampton.

Losing the support of this small group will mean no one is talking about or pushing for this line.
 
All you need are elegant black poles with hanging baskets and winter decorations along Main between Etobicoke Creek and City Hall, and span wires affixed to buildings the rest of the way up to the GO Station. I don't know why Brampton is being so stupid about this. Span wires seem to be just fine in such civic centres as Dam Square or signature natural landscapes as Stanley Park.
 
ShonTron said:
All you need are elegant black poles with hanging baskets and winter decorations along Main between Etobicoke Creek and City Hall, and span wires affixed to buildings the rest of the way up to the GO Station. I don't know why Brampton is being so stupid about this. Span wires seem to be just fine in such civic centres as Dam Square or signature natural landscapes as Stanley Park.
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Perhaps they are not being "stupid" perhaps they are just, in their minds, protecting what they have/are trying to create in DT Brampton and the proponents of the line have done a lousy job explaining the impact of the wires on that.
 
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