denfromoakvillemilton
Senior Member
Mods: Perhaps this thread should be merged with the existing 'NFL Stadium Whim' thread.
This is not just about the NFL.
Mods: Perhaps this thread should be merged with the existing 'NFL Stadium Whim' thread.
Chicago also gets shit done. They have a full metro system and built stadiums. And the Navy pier is awesome.
Good grief. Are you completely and absolutely bonkers or something?
It's the most fucked up plan ever to be conceived. Doug Ford admitted to the press that he's been involved in back room discussions with private financiers. Not only is the plan completely bonkers ... it appears that the Fords are corrupt.
It's like old-fashioned corrupt politics out of the 1950s. It's no wonder Ford keeps mentioning Chicago ... is any US city as corrupt as Chicago?
I think Ford should expand on the Ferrris Wheel and create a second CNE type thing with rides. That along with a mall could pay for itself and make this work.
Chicago also gets shit done. They have a full metro system and built stadiums.
YES! Great idea, This is the sort of stuff we should be talking about. Improving and expanding upon his plan rather than bashing it before we even know full what it is just because it was proposed by Rob Ford.
I think Ford should expand on the Ferrris Wheel and create a second CNE type thing with rides. That along with a mall could pay for itself and make this work.
Smitherman wasted billions of dollars on an e-health scandal.
Pantalone is litterally one of the most ditzy and oblivious people anyone could know.
McGuinty has wasted billions on useless government programs and the polls have changed against him for the upcoming election.
He got rid of a Transit City plan that was expensive and not viable (Imagine a three car lrt blocking an intersection on a left hand turn instead of the one car streetcars that we currently have, its a disaster)
and cut out an Olympic bid idea because that would only create more debt in the hole already dug by Miller.
He has proposed a viable plan including an improvement to our transit system, tourist destination, world-class status waterfront while still maintaining an accessable waterfront. Waterfront Torontos plan includes far too much private residential development that will prevent the public from travelling from one end of the waterfront to the other and denying access to patches all over the waterfront.
The Olympics was a grand vision, so why do you take this as such a stretch?
More is better IMO.We have Ontario Place and Centreville already. Besides, Ontario Place is going through a revitalization scheme that'll likely include more rides.
Where are you getting those stats from? The Rob Ford school of mathematics?
Who cares about stats and mathematics right now and give it 3 more long years...
Let me know in 2015 when he wins his 2nd term ...Come-on, the only people that the Fords are driving crazy, are a new crop of fanatic NDPers, and a bunch of wannabe centre-left Liberals, and we all know what they are all about.
First of all, OF COURSE THE CITY HASNT INVESTED, THEY DONT HAVE THE MONEY FOR IT! Which is why we need private investment on our waterfront almost desperately.
Second, OF COURSE YOU DONT GO TO A CITY FOR ITS FERRIS WHEEL! Major projects like these are built as a catalyst for growth in the industry. And there actually are alot of people that head to London to try out the eye.
Third, They are putting the proposal of a mall is being thrown out there so that private investors will know that the city is open to the idea and open to investment from the private sector on the watefront!
Fourth, again private investment will be the only way that Rob Ford allows a stadium to be built. Shouldnt have to worry about that too much seeing as not many private investors out there are willing to pay for an entire facility nevermind in Canada.
Private investors do a much better job and take zilch out of our pockets with the exception of possibly small grants the government of Ontario and Canada give.
Look at the Fallsview Casino in Niagara Falls. Almost as much of a gem as the falls themselves.
The gardens are maintained tremendously and the facility contains far more than a casino with ballrooms, shows, halls, retail and dining. Lets look at another, Trump Tower was built quite quickly and stands currently as one of the most intriguing buildings to rise from the cities grounds in years. A Casino would be a great investment as well with far more to offer other than the casino itself, they are great for big spenders, the public and tourists.
I question that figure.
When compared to the Fords?
Useless programs like kindergarten, health care, and Metrolinx? The polls suggested he was guaranteed to loose had the election been held last year and now it is a close race.
Expensive compared to a subway through the Golden Mile and a subway under Sheppard? Why would a three car LRT be blocking an intersection when they have dedicated lanes? I see one passenger vehicles blocking the intersection all the time.
What hole? The hole that didn't require the car registration tax and which was filled with gravy?
The residential development that prevents access to the waterfront was built by the private sector before the Waterfront Toronto Plan. Since planning started nothing that blocks access to the waterfront has been built, instead we have build HtO park, Sugar Beach, Sherbourne Commons, wave decks and boardwalks to increase walking space, and plan a Queens Quay with bike lanes. If Ford turns over the land to private developers why would you expect it to be less like the privately developed waterfront blocking condos and Home Depot plans of the past and more like the Waterfront Plans of today?
Because the Olympics brings people to the city, are master planned, are seen by a large audience, and billions of new money are brought into the city. People aren't going to come to Toronto for a mall and ferris wheel. Eaton Centre is better served by transit, and suburban malls are better served by car than a mall in the port lands. Largely the people shopping at a port lands mall will be from the area... so it isn't new money. Why would a location on the waterfront be more ideal for a mall where everyone stays indoors than anywhere else, like the failing Woodbine Live plan?