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Johnny Au said:
If amusement parks want to buy used rides, they would rather buy from Six Flags America than from Marineland.
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It would depend on what they are intended on buying something for. For example some parks might buy an old roller coaster train for spare parts if they are from the same company as one that they have where the manufacturer has gone out of business.
 
The Globe and Mail has a report out about one potential bid for Marineland that involves Casinos, Hotels, additional entertainment components and a Whale Sanctuary to care for the Belugas.

The latter, would be funded by including a giant Data Centre underneath the new complex, which require gobs of power that is currently not available to this site.

www.theglobeandmail.com

Canadian investor says Ford government ignoring proposal to redevelop Marineland

Marc Wade and Knapp Capital Management say they pitched a $4.6-billion complex featuring a hotels, casinos, water park, marine mammal sanctuary and data centre
www.theglobeandmail.com www.theglobeandmail.com

The investor apparently made a pitch to the province in early September with a Therme-worthy 113 page slide deck.

He's gong public now as he is plaintive about what he sees as provincial disinterest.

The investor in the story is Marc Wade who is apparently partnered here with Knapp Capital Management.

This is the only render included w/the article:

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Included in the presentation is an estimate of up to 100,000 jobs, as well as a completion date of 2029.

I'm going to file those suggestions not under wildly optimistic; but plainly fanciful daydreaming.
 
sixrings said:
I think there’s plenty of Canadians that would like to go to Disney world without the flight and hotels. It would be substantially cheaper if it was a day trip for many people.
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Okay.

I'll grant that there are some Canadians that feel that way, though I'm not one of them.

But I don't think that's sufficiently good reason all the same. Disney World is 25,000 acres (more than 60x the size of Marineland)

If you mean 'Disneyland' those parks are much smaller, generally in the 140 acre range.

But as amusement parks, they are all inferior to Canada's Wonderland.

CW has substantially more roller coasters than any Disney Park, Disney World included. (CW is #3 in the world)

Disney World, of course, has a bunch of non-ride stuff like Epcot; but they aren't building equivalents to that at their other smaller parks.
 
Northern Light said:
The Globe and Mail has a report out about one potential bid for Marineland that involves Casinos, Hotels, additional entertainment components and a Whale Sanctuary to care for the Belugas.

The latter, would be funded by including a giant Data Centre underneath the new complex, which require gobs of power that is currently not available to this site.

www.theglobeandmail.com

Canadian investor says Ford government ignoring proposal to redevelop Marineland

Marc Wade and Knapp Capital Management say they pitched a $4.6-billion complex featuring a hotels, casinos, water park, marine mammal sanctuary and data centre
www.theglobeandmail.com www.theglobeandmail.com

The investor apparently made a pitch to the province in early September with a Therme-worthy 113 page slide deck.

He's gong public now as he is plaintive about what he sees as provincial disinterest.

The investor in the story is Marc Wade who is apparently partnered here with Knapp Capital Management.

This is the only render included w/the article:

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Included in the presentation is an estimate of up to 100,000 jobs, as well as a completion date of 2029.

I'm going to file those suggestions not under wildly optimistic; but plainly fanciful daydreaming.
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It doesn't sounds serious - and the Beluga Whale sanctuary sounds like greenwashing.

sixrings said:
I wish we could just get a Disney world here for Canadians.
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Why would Disney dilute their IP - and have a seasonal theme park in Canada?

AoD
 
Northern Light said:
Okay.

I'll grant that there are some Canadians that feel that way, though I'm not one of them.

But I don't think that's sufficiently good reason all the same. Disney World is 25,000 acres (more than 60x the size of Marineland)

If you mean 'Disneyland' those parks are much smaller, generally in the 140 acre range.

But as amusement parks, they are all inferior to Canada's Wonderland.

CW has substantially more roller coasters than any Disney Park, Disney World included. (CW is #3 in the world)

Disney World, of course, has a bunch of non-ride stuff like Epcot; but they aren't building equivalents to that at their other smaller parks.
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I think people go to Disney for Disney more than the coasters. My wife wants to go for our kids. Not for coasters.
 
Dan416 said:
Regardless of rides or any of those considerations, I think the primary reason Disney won't open here is because they wouldn't have any interest in operating a park that wasn't year-round.
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Isn’t wonderland one of the most profitable parks despite the shorter time they are open.
 
There is evidently no real plan here. The single provided rendering is just lazy AI slop, the “whale sanctuary” is an attempt at greenwashing by people who clearly can’t read the room/see the issue with Marineland as it currently sits, and the “entertainment complex” is just never going to happen with this group.

What I think this investment group is actually trying to do is build an AI data centre on prime real estate, close to a reliable coolant water source and Niagara Falls hydro, with free power infrastructure paid for by the government. It is pretty evident that the province can see right through these guys and is prioritizing groups that are actually aligned with the “Las Vegas North” strategy that the province announced it was pursuing back in 2024. It is increasingly becoming clear that these AI data centres are a grift - in the US, municipalities and grid operators are all competing with each other, being forced to subsidize data centres by passing the hydro cost onto regular consumers. There is also potential that this ridiculous race to meet AI "demand" may ultimately be a mirage due to circular financing within the sector. I think we need to be very careful when people try to build these kinds of facilities in our country.
 
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^That raised a red flag for me as well.
 
sixrings said:
Isn’t wonderland one of the most profitable parks despite the shorter time they are open.
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One of the most profitable, the most attended seasonal park and it's now open almost the full year with longer haunt and winterfest now a big thing. There is no reason Disney could not open a park at Marineland the property is almost 3 times as big as Disneyland and CW has shown people will go all year even in the winter. Plus with Disney money they could most likely make many indoor attractions and even an indoor section to the amusement park area think West Edmonton Mall amusement park. Dark rides and indoor coasters are a huge thing for Disney it could be a fully hybrid park with a good split between indoor and outdoor attractions with only some closing for the winter. It would definitely work in this area the market desperately needs another big attraction especially with Canadians no longer travelling to the US and probably for a long time to come.
 
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