He's right, we shouldn't have to worry. But what is he going to actually DO? (Thoughts and prayers ...)
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sixrings
Senior Member
Well maybe the federal government will use Torontos council and gun violence as justification to create a hand gun ban. Although I think hunting is a stupid sport no one needs a hand gun to hunt. So I don't know the reasoning behind needing one.
SunriseChampion
Senior Member
Do we? Or are you just dreaming up things to be offended by again?
Don't answer that...."we all know" which it is.
LMVDR
Active Member
Hopefully he goes back to carding suspicious looking people randomly. That usually does the trick.
SunriseChampion
Senior Member
What trick is that? Instantly generating disrespect for police? Neat trick.
As someone who has been wrongfully arrested and beat by cops I don't mind telling you that it took years and many run-ins with decent cops (mostly OPP....they know how to hire) to get me to change my mind and stop referring to them as "the filth".
By the way, the beatings and wrongful arrest did nothing to keep me from pursuing a side career in pharmaceutical entrepreneurship....with all its unfortunately attendant problem characters.
Carding won't solve anything.
vic
Senior Member
It seems like only yesterday when Kinsella was calling Tory's Smarttrack "segregationist", bringing up Tory's decades-old anti-Chretien attack ads that made fun of his face, sending out libel notices to Kouvalis....
They must have all made up and become good friends since then. Or at least made some good deal$.
https://nationalpost.com/news/olivi...-suggesting-john-torys-transit-plan-is-racist
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toro...nsit-plan-of-segregation-apologizes-1.2741775
https://nationalpost.com/posted-tor...gist-implying-he-was-fired-from-chow-campaign
BurlOak
Senior Member
It's hard to place the blame soley on carding.
- The carding ban was brought in by the Liberals for the start of 2017. Since that time, there have been 136 homicides, or a pace of 82/yr.
- Trudeau and the Liberals came to power in very late 2015 (say Nov. 1 to obtain monthly data from TPS). Since that time, there have been 225 homicides, or a pace of 79/yr.
- As a reminder, Harper and the CPC got their majority in early May, 2011 (say May 1 to obtain monthly data from TPS). In his time with majority until the end of October, there were 242 homicides, or a pace of 54/yr.
It appears it can easily be argued that having Trudeau as the PM, and his complete disregard for any safety related policy, was a much bigger factor than carding in the skyrocketing homicide rate.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/carding-ontario-police-government-ban-1.3918134
http://homicidecanada.com/toronto-homicide-victim-list-2018/
https://app.powerbi.com/view?
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SunriseChampion
Senior Member
Your conclusion is completely bereft of all logic.
"Carding caused an increase in homicides"?
"...voting for Trudeau has lead to an increase in homicides"?
W
T.
F.
....are you on?
Legit question. Your conclusion is so far removed from reality and even a whiff of logic.
Get help soon. Please.
Your friend, the blunt dude.
narduch
Senior Member
Harper easing gun laws and destroying the gun registry has probably had a greater effect on what we are seeing now .
Jasmine18
Senior Member
Hmm those gang bangers are really making life difficult shooting around Toronto with those rifles and long guns.
rbt
Senior Member
Really? You trust her connections with the Conservative Party of Ontario are stronger than Tory's? 95% of the job of building transit as mayor is lobbying the province to build your project.
Both of these candidates are duds on transit. One because he hamstrung himself on city revenue and caves to cutback demands far too easily (see QuarterTrack), and the other because they have zero political clout for lobbying those with the ability to actually fund it.
Feds cannot legally give money to cities. They give it to the province who pass it along following rules laid out (like spending on per-capita or ridership basis). Ford has full control over both Provincial and Federal contributions; if he wishes to restructure the agreement Wynne setup with the feds, he can do that pretty much unilaterally.
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narduch
Senior Member
Its interrelated. Hand gun sales and imports also increased dramatically after the registry was destroyed.
Its not the only part of the problem, but it is a piece of it.
Really the government needs to go harder after the biker gangs that are importing illegal weapons. But we have people in power who are friendly with these assholes.
steveintoronto
Superstar
Whoa! Got to call you on that one. Quite the contrary, and Vaughan has stated his intention to do so even more. I'll link reference later, just flying out the door. More than many, you deserve a referenced and linked answer as you have a greater vision on transit factors than many.
Also Keesmaat's challenging Ford's vow to build the SSE is playing to your:
Your gist is very correct (with caveats) and Keesmaat is flipping the table to deal with it. Tory is polishing his Oxfords and trimming his fingernails.
rbt
Senior Member
It's a contract between the federal government and the province because the City of Toronto act does not give the mayor (or city) the ability to bind the province to that type of agreement.
What the feds can do is ask the mayor about their priorities (say Project X), then provide a cheque with a contract stating the funds are strictly for Project X; but a provincial representative signs that agreement. So funds flow from Fed to Province to Project X (huzzah, gave money to a city project; Harper did this project specific type funding regularly).
It's very rare that a province turns down free money but if Ford feels his political promises are being bypassed or hampered, say the feds want to fund 100% of Sheppard LRT, then I can guarantee Ford would have it blocked even if the city wants to accept.
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pman
Senior Member
Post hoc ergo propter hoc.