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From the Globe and Mail:

Ontario moves ahead with construction of megacourthouse in downtown Toronto

Centralizing court operations downtown: a 21st-century solution?
Ontario is moving ahead with construction of a megacourthouse, which will absorb operations of five existing locations spread across Toronto. But issues of accessibility for clients and relatives are going concerns ahead of the courthouse's scheduled completion in 2021
 
in a dark way, the province of ontario's (oblivious) intent to showcase toronto's "worst in class" public transportation is a good thing. once you have a large number of people like attorneys and judges who have the ear of the government (whatever the party), you'll possibly have some improvement. these flamboyantly retrograde plans for far flung transit projects that get people to within a 10 minute drive of a park-and-ride station, these might actually have to give way to some sort of real system where people can get to work in a normal way.
 
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kicked it in the sun said:
in a dark way, the province of ontario oblivious intent to showcase toronto's "worst in class" public transportation is a good thing. once you have a large number of people who have the ear of the government (whatever the party), you'll possibly have some improvement. these flamboyantly retrograde plans for far flung transit projects that get people to within a 10 minute drive of a park-and-ride station, these might actually have to give way to some sort of real system where people can get to work in a normal way.
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You do realize how ridiculous it sounds to refer to Toronto transit writ large as "worst in class", right?

And our current system is how most Torontonians who work downtown *currently* get to work, so I similarly don't quite see how that could be characterized as something less than "normal."

This is all quite tangential to the actual discussion on this thread, but I just so loathe that sort of simplistic and provincial Toronto bashing that happens all too often in this city.
 
"normal" would be just montreal-level transit, the east coast standard.

and it's not tangential at all. think of what it means funneling thousands of daily person-trips into this location with the teetering transit "system" toronto has right now. and knowing this, what, they'll elect to "solve" the problem - as usual - with, say, a 900-1100 parking spaces? great.

really, it's good that it's got so bad. transit will only improve if a critical mass of influential people hit that threshold level of inconvenience that makes them willing to gripe/willing to pay. that balance has been absent in toronto for a generation, maybe two.
 
kicked it in the sun said:
"normal" would be just montreal-level transit, the east coast standard.

and it's not tangential at all. think of what it means funneling thousands of daily person-trips into this location with the teetering transit "system" toronto has right now. and knowing this, what, they'll elect to "solve" the problem - as usual - with, say, a 900-1100 parking spaces? great.

really, it's good that it's got so bad. transit will only improve if a critical mass of influential people hit that threshold level of inconvenience that makes them willing to gripe/willing to pay. that balance has been absent in toronto for a generation, maybe two.
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There clearly will not be a new 1000-car garage, and the University subway line is quite capable of handling the increase in demand one "megacourthouse" will place on St Patrick station. Of course the city needs more transit infrastructure, but the calls in the article to rethink a centralized courthouse because of transportation issues is pure histrionics.

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kicked it in the sun said:
"normal" would be just montreal-level transit, the east coast standard.

and it's not tangential at all. think of what it means funneling thousands of daily person-trips into this location with the teetering transit "system" toronto has right now. and knowing this, what, they'll elect to "solve" the problem - as usual - with, say, a 900-1100 parking spaces? great.

really, it's good that it's got so bad. transit will only improve if a critical mass of influential people hit that threshold level of inconvenience that makes them willing to gripe/willing to pay. that balance has been absent in toronto for a generation, maybe two.
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Right. Montreal level transit which goes from excellent to mediocre to virtually non existent depending on where you live. We may not have excellent to the standard of Montreal in Toronto. We don't have virtually non existent here either. For example, The Bush Shed before renovations would be an upgrade in Montreal.
 
maestro said:
Right. Montreal level transit which goes from excellent to mediocre to virtually non existent depending on where you live. We may not have excellent to the standard of Montreal in Toronto. We don't have virtually non existent here either. For example, The Bush Shed before renovations would be an upgrade in Montreal.
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Not to mention "accessible in 2038"
 

someMidTowner said:
Nope. http://www.infrastructureontario.ca/New-Toronto-Courthouse/
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interesting

Teams Prequalified for New Toronto Courthouse Project
October 04, 2016
TORONTO - Infrastructure Ontario (IO) and the Ministry of the Attorney General (MAG) have announced two prequalified teams to design, build, finance and maintain a new Toronto courthouse.

The teams were selected based on criteria identified in the request for qualifications (RFQ) process that began in April 2016. Selection criteria included design and construction capability, experience, and the financial capacity to deliver a project of this size and complexity.

The following teams are prequalified for the new Toronto courthouse project:

Plenary Justice:
  • Architects : WZMH Architects, Perkins Eastman, and CGL Ricci Greene
  • Constructor: PCL Constructors Canada Inc.
  • Facilities management: Johnson Controls Inc.
  • Financial Advisor: TD Securities Inc.
Ellis Don Infrastructure:
  • Architects: NORR Ltd, and Renzo Piano Building Workshop
  • Constructor: Ellis Don Design build Inc.
  • Facilities management: Ellis Don Facilities Service Inc., and SNC Lavalin
  • Financial Advisor: Ellis Don Capital Inc.
The two teams will be invited to prepare proposals that will detail how they will design, build, finance and maintain the new courthouse. Once submissions are received, IO and MAG will evaluate the proposals, select a preferred bidder and then negotiate a final contract. A fairness monitor will oversee the entire process and the successful bidder is expected to be announced in fall 2017.
 
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